Tahlia Farrant & Your Questions About Sexuality Answered/
- August 11, 2020
Tully is joined by her ex-girlfriend, Tahlia Farrant, to chat about how she met Tully, realising she was gay, what happened after Tully, Drew and Big Brother, and we answer some of your questions about sexuality.
On today’s show:
- Tahlia’s realisation about her sexuality
- Tahlia’s move to Sydney
- How Tully and Tahlia met
- Coming out to her parents and friends
- Same-sex marriage and what needs to happen next
- Attraction, sex, strap-ons and porn
- Needing Pap Smears as a lesbian
- The stereotypes in same-sex relationships
- Moving quickly, and having intense relationships
- Scissoring, sex toys and what counts as sex
- Dating a closeted girl and showing that you’re bisexual
- Lessons from Tully’s and Tahlia’s relationship
- Drew, Big Brother and the aftermath
- Forgiveness and where they stand now
Tahlia on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tahliafarrant
This podcast is produced by BIG MEDIA COMPANY.
Hey guys, it's producer Jess here. This isn't a normal intro to one of two much Kelly's episodes, but you're listening to part two of Episode Four. If you haven't listened to part one, Kelly shared her coming out story and in part two, Kelly's ex girlfriend Talia joins this hurt you enjoy
alrighty I've got Talia joining us. Hi Talia. Hey guys. Hi stink. Hi. First of all, do you like my T sharp? Here's Tisha, do you like my T shirt? Does this look familiar
to you? Looks really familiar guys. It used to be in my wardrobe.
I purposely will want to Talia is t shirts that I stole fair and square. To be fair, it is so soft. It's it's one of my favourite t shirts, but I've had to wear a really nice job. I purposely wore it to piss her off. I was gonna literally I know I was hoping for a bigger reaction. But that's honestly just our relationship right there. mating something bratty wanting a reaction and her giving me donuts yin and yang exactly by choking Can we just quickly get my puppy on the show? Can we get Looney? Okay, for those who don't know Talia and I shared a Pomeranian together. I lost her in the divorce. she now lives with a cool dad. Oh my god.
It's nap time right now.
She can hear she can't hear me. She knows my voice Hello.
She's so cute. Okay, now that's done. And I've got my Annoying Dog mom voice out of the way. Cause I've just gone through a little bit about my coming out story when I realised I was into females way back when I was, you know, four years old in kindergarten. Yeah, I actually don't and this is crazy, because I've known you for a million years and we've dated for two but I actually don't know you're coming out start. I don't know when you realised you were into women. Can you maybe just talk us through that a little bit?
Sure. Yeah. That's because you talk so much it
got it started. So early. I thought I had a few more minutes before you go at me, but she'll go on.
Yeah, for sure. Mine's it's not very exciting.
I was like, you know, it's funny because I actually didn't for someone who's super gay. I had no idea for a really long time.
I kind of went through, I hit like,
I don't know, you 78 and everyone starts becoming, you know, super curious about all that sort of stuff. And I just wasn't interested. That's all I knew was that I wasn't interested. But I was super sporty. And all I really cared about was playing soccer and going surfing.
Because you grew up. You grew up in coffs Harbour. Yeah. So you were on like a coastal town? Yeah.
Yeah, so super small town. I didn't know anybody gay. Not one, actually when I think about it, but yeah, I just didn't think I was a very sexual person. All I really cared about was sport. I didn't really care for everything happening at school. I was playing handball with the boys just didn't care. And it just never really crossed my mind. Like I was a super confident teenager. So I didn't care that I wasn't hooking up with people and doing all the things that the other girls were doing. It just wasn't on my radar. And because I didn't really give in to any sort of peer pressure up didn't really feel any need to do anything about it.
And yeah, kind of just like continued on like that. And
did you have more more guy friends with you? Like one of the boys? Did you have girlfriends as well?
I had both. I totally had both. I was definitely one of the boys like, sitting around at lunch and stuff. The girls would sit there and the guys would play handball, and I was playing handball. Like it was a given. I was against my teachers because I would be in my sports uniform, so I could play footy at lunchtime. Cool, she did that sort of stuff. So yeah, I kind of just had no idea and I had decided in my head, you know, I hit like the line. And of course I got him hooked up with a couple of guys and that but you know nothing outrageous and hit probably a nine. And you know sex was obviously becoming a thing. And I mean for some I as I just said I was
Lima, blue, but yeah, sure I'm sure the cookies are doing it and you know, and I was all for sure. No, I mean, it wasn't no, you mean Yeah, it's been one of the parties, the parties really ramp up. That becomes way more of a focus.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So that started happening. And as I said, I was a really confident kid, I felt I felt no peer pressure. And I thought like, I'm not gonna do anything like that, unless it's with someone that I really like. And I had a few really good guy mates and like a few guys really amazing guys, too. That was super interested in me and I would be like, you were beautiful. I mean, you still are beautiful, but you were like stunning. Yeah, well,
yeah. She had
just she had like, Look, her hair is naturally quite fair. She had long blonde hair. She was like piecing blue eyes. Like I can I mean, I'm yeah, I'm not surprised that you had a few nice beach babe flexions cool. Like, I'm not surprised you had a few guys after you.
All right? blow my head up.
Yeah, but I would always get really close to these guys. I'd be like, why do I just want to be your mate? Like I would I would enjoy spending time with them and going surfing and doing stuff but then it would get to a point I'd be like, I don't want to kiss you. Right even then. I didn't know why like I genuinely didn't know why I just thought I was like, potentially like, you know kind of asexual just was you
know what that was back then. That's such a new I mean I've really just kind of got my head around this so many new terms all the time. But do you think you knew what a sexual was back then?
Totally. Like my my, my group of girlfriends used to call me the ice queen. Because I like these. These great guys be like, Hey, I love you. And I'm like, I like you. But that's it. Like
that was it? We would both call it ice queen.
Yeah, I used to I used to Got that all the time, but I just yeah, it never clicked with me well, and I think perhaps if I had some gay role models, or like, knew some gay women at the time, it perhaps would have been different but again, I still I just had no idea I just didn't know why I wasn't connecting further.
That's so weird because that's literally what I've just said. I said I had I had no gay role models in my life we had I had no gay friends. We had no gay family members. There wasn't The L Word and I'm just a new black. There wasn't Katy Perry and tattoo there were no there was nobody to look to to know what you were thinking fully. You had not we had no one. Yeah, yeah. Do you know
what it's funny? You mentioned TV shows that because that's actually what changed things for me. So really
talk us through that. Yeah. So drinking with us. I hate that you don't like to dry? That's why you might never we're gonna watch she's gonna pay everybody.
Guy ginger healthy. Um, yeah. So I had, I can't remember how old I was. I would have been about 16 or 17, I think and I had come home from surf and I was watching MTV back when All Star was a thing. And MTV is actually over.
One or not MTV channel v.
Same thing, whatever.
Anyway, I had come home from a surf and I was sitting on the couch. I was watching MTV, and there's a show on MTV.
Virgin diaries. Did you ever watched now?
I haven't heard of this. It was so across all their
lesbian pop culture. Well, it wasn't. Oh, it wasn't. So it's called virgin diaries. And it basically it follows the stories of people losing their virginity, and it's like a little Dacosta thing. Mm hmm. And I was randomly watching it one day, and it was a story of this girl. And she had decided she wasn't going to lose her virginity until she found someone that she felt like she was in love with. And I was like, well, that's funny. That's like, similar to me. Like that's what I said, like, I'm not going to just sleep with anyone just so I can say I've done it. And so she's like, plodding along. Not connecting with any of these guys. And then she she has this like, Revelation and Islam. I actually really like this girl and I think I might be gay. And I literally was on the couch and I was like, Oh, my God, my gay like, Oh my God, is that why I'm not connecting with any of these dudes and was just like it was fully MTV. It was a show and I was just like,
oh shit Did you then have? Did you have anyone in mind? Like did your mind then skip to someone in your life that you maybe had a crush on? Or did you have anyone in your life at that point that you thought you could have feelings for?
No, not necessarily. But there was a bunch of girls in my soccer team who I thought was so cool.
Chef. It was like, Oh, yeah,
I want to be part of a gang when she's just so cool. I want to I want to be a friend. No, I tell you what, fucka my cousin. Boy, that was
fully it. So it was big like Rhett. Like, this chick on this show. Had this revelation. I was like, shit, man. That was like explain heaps if I was like, I
was gonna give you a big hug little baby.
You know, what was it Like, I didn't trip me out at all. Like, as I said, I was a really confident teenager. I was just like, on my tape sense, like, sweet and then from that point forward, I was like, all for sure. Like, yeah.
Eventually you move from your sleepy coastal town to Sydney and then you learn even more because I mean, lesbian saved in CDs is something else rageous will happen then because you still because just for people that don't know when you and I started dating, I was your first official girlfriend, correct?
Yeah, actually, yeah,
yeah. So and I met you at a grimy lesbian bar in Sydney, new town. represent. So what happened when you moved to Sydney?
Yeah, yeah, well, that was a
whole new kettle of fish
was a whole new ballpark. Yeah, game changer.
Yeah, moved from tiny little coffs Harbour to Sydney and why did you move again, I can't remember. I actually had a soccer scholarship in the dates, and I had six months to kill
that all stereotypical lesbian
Dude, you are fucking Oh my god. Yeah,
I feel sorry. Yeah, I had six months to kill that song by the
way that's fucking hot keep
going I didn't go Did I say God look at the state of America.
Yes, I had six months to kill and I decided I just mix it up whatever actually hated Sydney all throughout my teenage years. I don't know why I do. Yeah, I do have a bit of a grudge against it. But I'm yet decided to head there and I actually didn't jump straight into the gay scene. That's actually a pretty funny story. I was watching a band at Oxford art factory, which is on Oxford Street, which is a bit of a gay hub, but it's right next to the barley. Yeah, Oxford. Oxford arts itself isn't necessarily a gay venue. But right next door Cuba is
and rip Cuba. I know bless, literally, Glory especially as my last memories
Yeah, I was at a gig watching a band in Cuba. Sorry.
And I was out the front and this girl came up to me and she was like,
do you have a ticket for golfing? And I was like, I have no idea what you're talking about. What is that? She's like, Oh, don't worry. It's like an event that's on next door. She obviously saw me saw tattoos, like lesbian. But at this time, very fresh, very inexperienced. And yeah, I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. Turns out there was a it was a really big event and it was a ticketed event. So super hot
and I was it. Like, wait, what
not, I actually think it might have been a jelly wrestling.
So a bit of a background formation, Talia and I subsequently became Well, I was already good friends with Jackie Cunningham, who runs golfing the biggest monthly lesbian potty in Sydney. Talia and I both became very heavily involved with it at Holly was a DJ. So it's funny that that's sort of your first little Introduction to lesbian say it was fake. Right? to go on. Did you end up going upstairs? Do you go to good?
Yeah, well, I did. I just kicked into like boss mode and I
grabbed this girl and I was like, Come on, I'll get us in. Grab your hand, skip the line went straight up to the girls taking the tickets who was so flustered that they were just scrunching them up and chucking them next to each other.
You're like, Oh, you just took mine.
Yeah, and she was like ticket I just looked at her like, What? She was like ticket and I was like, I just gave it to you and she kind of like looked at the scrunched up pilot did was like Oh,
yeah, yeah, go up. That is
lettuce. I'm such a goody two shoes. I would never have the balls to do that. But that is such a Talia ferret move.
Oh, yeah, well, I mean, it worked. Sorry, jack. So I'll pay for that.
Much now that I've outed myself.
Probably our friends in the door may
have just moved to Sydney. I was I was very fresh. Okay. And then yeah, went straight up, but How was your night and made out to go top of the stairs said by turned around and then was just like, oh my lord and it was just packed with these beautiful women like I had never seen anything like it before never been to an event like that before and then it was just
did you feel like did you feel like you'd found your paper or did you feel at home? Did you feel like okay, this makes more sense. Now this is all adding up?
Absolutely. I was like this is like Pandora's box. Literally,
literally Pandora's box.
Put a skirt up and you're like, I want some of that. Yep. Okay, so that how did how did you and I mean, talk me through your version of events that night because I obviously know my version of events, but I want to hear it from your side of the story. Yeah, because I've got very different Yeah, they're very tell you tell us yours without a deal. I'll tell I'll tell off mine. Right. You tell the girls and I'll tell mine. Okay.
Here's my version of it. Okay, so
I'll be quiet.
I quickly became good friends with an epic group. Have gay girls in Sydney specifically, as Tony mentioned, Jackie who started golfing and I actually became quite involved with that in the running of it and stuff. And so there's a few different events all over Sydney. Kelly was very well known she would like walking with this like hot girl clique of models skip the line. Just walking in like shit hot.
My girlfriend mag she got scared. I was from gopher magazine. I knew Ruby Rose, but let me also hang on I put in the hard yards man. I've been going as events for years before you came along. Okay, there are between you and I
circle anyway, le le was known. But she had quite a reputation. It wasn't always the best one. reputation for what? Ah, look, be honest with with that bit.
Too much Kelly.
This is all I'll say. I used to call a Regina George. If you're familiar with mangoes. Exactly what that means.
Okay, do I need to say anymore? No, that's so good.
didn't talk to me at you looking like belcore again by the way, I just said I just whatever as a response to that. That is not that is not good.
was very she was very cocky. She was slightly arrogant. Let's be honest. You knew you were hot.
And you ran with that. Oh, my God, but
why did I get her on the show again? Cuz I want you to find me fuck me drunk. Go on.
Yeah, okay, okay anyway, so I definitely had my opinions of Telly before meeting her basically, she was a bit of a deacon.
And so I knew I knew who she was, but I had no real intention of getting to know any better than that. Other than, you know, seeing her around at events. There was one particular night we're at a venue in New Town, and I was up I was like, oh, elevated on a dance floor
Holly's tool by the way cuz FYI guys she's told most lesbians and I'm a tool girl as we've discussed many times. Mm hmm.
Yeah. So I was up on this like elevated dance floor and I look across the dance floor on the very far side and tell you something outside death staring me like straight up deaths. They're like a nasty look. Would you eat chicken? Well, I turned to my best mate at the time who was next to it? And I was like, Man, what is that girl's problem? Like, she's such a bitch. Basically, I was like, I don't like look at this right now. And my mate looked over and she was like, Yeah, what's the deal? And I was like, I don't know I've never even spoken to her like I don't know what the problem is with me. And that night we actually crossed paths in the toilet. You mean? Yeah, this is just coming to me we actually crossed paths in the toilet and again you kind of look me up and down and I was just like
I didn't keep him came for a good for me. That's Holly is better events. Meanwhile, I'm on the stage that's where I belong guys on the stage trust me, every single lesbian I went to I found myself on the stage or behind a DJ decks, including when Talia was DJing I was a hot girl behind it like Yeah. Anyway so that night I was up on stage and my best friend Katie and I pretty much knew I had a very specific time. I really loved androgynous girls I like tomboy girls but had beautiful faces like short hair with like skaters like surfers, but just was stunning like just beautiful women. And I thought I'd met them all day. Exhibit A Talia. I thought I met them all and I looked up from the dance floor and I saw this tall blond blue eyed babe and plus my thing I don't even like blondes, Talia was like not on brand for me. But I was like Who the fuck is that and what I know them. So I was I thought I was flirting. That was my floating face. But as we both know Talia I have zero game. No, absolutely not at all. She that I hated her. Clearly that was not working for me. But that's how we met up so nice. So how did you who made the move then? Totally.
We've for sure we'd boys just kind of I was never going to i
didn't i didn't i had no intention as as this story is told. I didn't even think she thought she sounded like a bit.
Yeah, I always get what I want. And I want to Talia No, look, I am we were both coming out of relationships. We weren't really in a good place mentally and we just kind of wanted one night at a drinks we hadn't again, we have friend groups. That's why it's happened. So Talia is friendship group and my friendship group became this one ginormous lesbian friendship group. Which if you're lesbian, you understand how that happens quite easily. If I suddenly Talia and I were at pre drinks together, Talia and I were at festivals together at Talia and I and we just gravitated towards each other. And yeah, I was besotted. I was obsessed. And it was nice because I truly thought that Steph was like the one and I thought that I was ever going to find love again. I truly thought that I've been for years between staff and meeting Talia. So I've been a long time. And I just didn't think I thought that she was it and that was it. And that was as good as it was going to get. And then I met Talia and it, you know, it felt amazing and wonderful all over again. But it was interesting because yeah, Talia hadn't had a girlfriend, she wasn't super keen on the idea of committing. Being in love. She still doesn't love the idea of marriage. So it was kind of an uphill battle. From start to finish. How did you find having the conversation with your family and friends? We've asked Kelly how I suppose she broach the conversation with her family. Did you find it difficult? How'd you go with it? You know,
it's funny because I have the most amazing family. Like incredible parents. I knew as soon as I realised I was gay. I knew without doubt that my family would be completely fine. Was it and I was still shitting myself to tell them it's it's funny, you know and it creates so much empathy for those people who have to come out to families that they know aren't going to be okay with it. Because someone yeah who I knew my family was going to be fine with. I was shitting bricks
and you're so close with your brother as well. Hi brothers only a year, same bond same day young you older than Talia. So you had a brother as well.
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I was absolutely shitting myself. Even though I knew I didn't have to. I still was. I came out to my mom. And she literally bless was like, duh.
I was I put it What do you mean he's Sandy's the best Sandy. Harry's the best.
She's Yeah, she was just literally like, damn it. I was like, What do you mean? She's like, we've known that since you're about six. We're just waiting for you to figure it out. I was like man, someone could give me
it was a peeve of mine. Talia was running around after her brother. They literally could have been twins back then. And time. My brother would run around in bodies with no top one and so tollywood copy him. No total tomboy, but it got to a point where I was like Talia, you probably should be reputation.
Unlucky. I was a late bloomer with puberty because I was Yeah, definitely topless for too long.
So they probably sold that. And we're like,
duh, like, sure.
Yeah. He was telling
you. I'm telling you, brother, because I know that my brothers. That was always. I mean, you guys are so close. You're much closer to me and my brothers. Was it hard telling time? Do you remember having a conversation with him? We never actually had it. When I told mom and she reacted like that. I was a bit like, oh, and I was like, so do I should I tell dad, she's like, no, everyone knows. I was like, oh, and so then it was just like a thing. Which is so cool. And I think that's how it should be. You shouldn't have to come out the show straight. People don't have to sit their parents down and be like, Okay, I'm thinking what to do, right? Yeah. So you know, why why should gays? gay people did. I can't wait till that's just not a thing.
Yeah. I mean, it's hard to do. Now because it was so long ago for us, but I'd hope you would think that it isn't as big of a deal now today, surely you'd hope right.
I think it's definitely heading that way. But we've still got so far ago. Yeah, sure. It is really good that there's so much more representation now though, and it is it is becoming more normal, which it is normal humans with another consenting human, it's not like crossbreeding. But, you know, for example, I've got a work mate who has, I think, a 14 or 14 year old daughter and she's obsessed with Riverdale. And I've never watched Riverdale, but apparently there's a lesbian couple and Riverdale and she's, you know, all of 14 and just sat them down and said I'm bisexual. So like, amazing. It's slowly happening and for her to have the confidence to say that, you know, she might just be copying Riverdale because she likes them but at least like she's comfortable to do that. That's the I think that shows a lot of growth and a lot of change.
Absolutely. Hmm. So yes on it. Before, obviously we want to get it to a place where it isn't a taboo subject that, you know, people don't need to be asking questions of, you know what it means to be gay? What's involved with that type of thing? Oh, here we go in saying that let's ask you a bunch of question. I have so many questions for you because you both popped up a little q&a on your your Instagram pages last night. We did once again, dirty stuff like that with your Instagram. Honestly, both of us by Talia and I deleted the dirtiest stuff before. So what you're seeing what you're seeing is the cleaner version of what we've both seen.
It was pretty gross. Yeah,
they would like I agree with you especially I think Talia is was like, I mean, I didn't see tell us obviously she sent me what she was okay with. But I there's so many amazing questions. So many well thought out like questions I've heard before questions that I totally as someone who used to be quite confused in Fuck, I'm still quite confused in my sexuality. Let's be honest. I understand right then then we're like, the creepy questions and then you click on the profile and it was like a middle aged man. I'm like, Gary, you just being a creep not being you know, very. Someone asked me a minute of time. All right. Yes. So you so Talia and I both took screen grabs of all those questions. And they were you asked for them to come back to you on their way to wonderful questions about Yes, lesbians it so basically, yeah. So taking a page out of the wonderful show on the ABC, you can't ask that which asked minority groups questions that people have in their minds but don't have the guts to ask out loud. I know Talia and I have both been subjected to a lot of silly Well, not not silly, but just interesting questions over the years. And so we thought it'd be funny to give you guys literally an open slather to ask whatever you wanted. Jess, you've got all our responses and you've picked and chosen some interesting ones and now we are going to as a Joe answer them to the best of our abilities, keeping in mind that we're not experts. This is just our personal experiences. I'm a little bit scared because I don't really know what you've picked out of the group. I know what I've sent you. I know what Talia sent you but I know what you've picked. That's it. Okay. Well, I might start with you Telly. Okay has asked. And it's actually going to be good to me. So Talia, I, I'm straight. I haven't been with a female before. Or
I mean, I'm single. Let's see what happens. betha said, What does FIM stem and mask main so I would say that I'm a fan. So M is someone who is quite feminine otherwise known as a lipstick lesbian for that's just another term people use the quite feminine in their expression. So they might like heels dresses, good little things. mask is someone who is quite masculine in their expression. They were everywhere guys clothes are more relaxed clothes and then stem is a is that between the two of them
yeah yeah it's a bit of a mix I think
so are you would you say your stem because I was always called you androgynous because I think stems if you're a stem right it's it's a new thing I would love to Google the actual definition I think it's just yeah like somewhere in between I don't actually have a definition here for everybody to read it out. Yeah. Okay. because again it's funny because Talia and I are actually like, kind of old school lesbian people. Okay, so fam all lipstick lesbian is a feminine expression a stem or a chapstick lesbian? Okay, was a family plus stud. And then and then starred slash masculine. So yeah, we were right. So you say I would say you are a stem. Would you say?
I guess so. I don't like the labels. I don't know yet. I'm androgynous I wear what I want. I don't care if I get mistaken for a boy on days. Mm hmm. I'll wear
high waisted pants on others. Yeah,
whatever. Also just to flag where we're kind of starting off soft and we'll, we'll build it. So Talia is she's fine. She's all good. She's a big girl. So Bailey wants to know what has been the greatest win for the gay and lesbian community and what is something they're still fighting for? I might throw that one to you, Talia.
Mm hmm. Oh, I'm in the most notable win as of late probably would be gay marriage.
Yeah, go t even though you don't want to do.
It's nice to have an option.
Yeah, it is nice to have the option. That's obviously been a huge win. I still think there's a fair bit we still need to work on. I think what I really, really like about this year, and especially like, you know, the generation below us is they're just ripping everything to shreds, which is sick. It's like it Everything's being dissected and you know, they're saying like, we're done with gender stereotypes, genders in general, gender expression, sexuality expression, like everything's being challenged and pulled apart and saying, We're like, No, I don't have to conform to that. And I can be this if I want to be this type of thing. But um, that whole side of stuff is really progressive and really great, but it's taking a while for everybody else that is actually on board you need to get on board, especially, you know, things like, you know, non binary people finding it so difficult to use different pronouns when it's really not difficult. You know, that's like, things like that we still, we still need to work on for sure.
So Betty wants to know, why is it fine for girls to be by and not for guys?
I know this is so unfair. This is like, I totally back that statement. It's so unfair. And you know what? I'm going to blind Poland
is interesting, because I love pool But you I've never known you to watch porn
and I've never been into it never it's never floated might you think
that because of the narrative and porn is always like lesbians a sick? Absolutely, it's a hot. I think lesbians have been super hyper sexualized. Whereas men, it's still like, you know what, I know what I agree because I actually really love and like, I dread telling a guy because I'm never gonna lie about my past and my history or my relationships. You know, I'm proud. I'm not going to pretend I'm not. So when someone finds out that I used to date women. I just I literally my butt clenches tell you no, I do when I'm nervous. I just I clench my butt when I'm like, anxious. And I'm like, Please don't ask about it. Like don't make some weird gross joke by threesomes or sexualized instantly instantly and yeah, I mean that's why it's it's funny because I actually to be hydrophobic. That's another story. Yeah, I maybe I agree with you that I think it is unfair and and even you know, as Someone who was bisexual. I mean, am I but I don't know what I have any more. I feel like fucking I have no idea. As someone who was bisexual definitely. I would hate for someone for me to fall in love with a man himself and for him to be like, oh, but you're bi so I don't trust you or you're bi so I think there's such a negative connotation to bisexuals in general, like, lesbians aren't like bisexuals, the gay isn't like bisexual. Not all you would I mean, like there's a negative connotation to the word like lesbians are like, Oh, just commit come to our side and the gays like it's a gateway to being gay just come to outside already. And then the straight to like, you're just being greedy. And so I definitely is someone who was by hated that term, which is why I say that I was gay. I'd even say that I was 7030. I'd say that I was 17. The same guy that he was going straight because to me that that was better than saying I was bi because there is this weird, negative connotation to bisexual. It's not right but it is And I definitely feel for the bisexual guys because they definitely cup it more than than us girls do for sure.
I think, um, I think you know, like, I've got a few male friends and they'll get on the babies and kiss each other on the lips and stuff and into that. Yeah, it's so fun in exact same way that like, you know, my group of girlfriends who are straight also do that with each other. And that's so fun and I can't wait till that gets normalised and I really hope it does. But yeah, there's such a huge stigma attached for it, you know, for a guy to come out as bisexual. It's like you know, they get kaput or what they do I think a lot of the misconception is that it's just a gateway to saying that Okay, yeah, you're just avoiding saying you gay which is not true. It's totally unfair. But tell me what is unfair. like God created man super unfair that he made by being a bit of a bit of a no no for guys and then put their G spot in their bomb. That's good job.
But seriously like how many dudes we
could just beside here because that he can't make that that is one that is in love. That is episode I fuckin fully agree I'm boiling that behind us
but God, how many more dudes would experiment with other dudes just because it feels good, you know still being with women like Dude, I've always said you're wise beyond your
years and that my dad was a fucking pearl of wisdom. All right, next question, Jen was also a really good segue because Lilly, Lilly said, what makes you attracted to women? Is it their gentle fools or personality? Can I go first, though, like if you're a male, that makes sense. Can I go first? As someone who's always used the line and it's very it's a common line, but I always was. Sorry, I was always attracted someone's personality, not their genitals like, Where do you go? Even now, as someone who considers themselves mainly heterosexual I don't fucking know.
Stop labelling yourself your whatever I'm
trying to fit in the box anyway. I don't meet a guy on a date and go all right without your dick. Yeah, that's nice dude. Okay, cool. Let's continue this chat
like absolutely personality not what's in their pants and I think that's why a lot of like
bisexual people unfairly you know given shit because it is it's personality based it's not what to who cares what's in their pants? person you vibe. Go for it
regardless of what's in their pants, so yeah, absolutely personality, not genitals. You might have already answered this one but Sam wants to know, does sex ever get a bit frustrating without the penis and do all lesbians use strap ons? I'll try me. Um, do you know what no, all lesbians use strap ons? I'll answer that pop that question for me. No, I was quite happy without any without a penis involved. I mean, I love opinions now, but I didn't need one back then Talia.
Yeah, I mean, not that I have much experience with a penis. But I love sex and there's no penises involved so
sorry, guess not.
Okay, Emily said does watching lesbian porn make you a lesbian?
Yeah, I have so many straight friends that have never been and have no desire to get with a girl and lesbian porn is all they watch.
Why? Because it females have fucking hot they've got beautiful bodies. The female body hands down as someone who now prefers dick the femur up it's gonna be a fucking sound grab isn't it? The female body is beautiful. I would much rather look at the female body all day every day. Then look at a guy's saggy hairy OS. He's like saggy balls. He's like flask addict just flop them there in the wind. Like my answer is no, Talia.
Yeah, hard. No. I also think the whole idea of porn is a bit of a fantasy thing. No, I mean, I'm not much of a porn porn connoisseur but I would beI Thank you. I would expect that people are watching porn to watch things that are a bit of a fantasy or abstract to the norm. That's what gets them off now. So as a straight girl who's having sex with men, watching two girls is different and exciting and refreshing or something.
So it's the sexuality that they're not used to because they used to just like wham, bam, Thank you, ma'am. And then suddenly, with two females, actually no lesbian punch socks, man. They've got acrylics up to here, which we know as someone who's fucking you don't have long nails. It's like a pap smear. They have some body oil and lube. They're like they're like flicking like slapping. Like, that's just not what happens. I mean, this question is a bit hard because has nothing to do with I think it is hot. I think it's important. I think we should talk about it. 100% do you have to get a pap smear if you're a lesbian? Yes, yes. And I'll answer this because I'm not sure how familiar so this is a misconception that if you don't sleep with men, you don't have to get a pap smear. I'm 22 2% of lesbians surveyed had received an abnormal pap me a test result. So an abnormal test results can lead to cervical cancer. So you definitely, even if you're gay, you have to get a pap smear. All woman should start having pap tests about a year after their first sexual contact or at the age of 18. Joe comes first even if you only sleep with women so I think that's a really big misconception that's important that we nip in the bud right now Talia
Yeah, I I was
Talia and I actually, this is an issue that I had moved dating by the way just FYI.
Classic. Yeah, no, I only had my first pap smear like a year ago and I'm nearly 30
Ah, okay. Do not follow her advice. I'm
at a point saying that my doctor when I told my doctor that I was gay and hadn't slept with a man before she was frothing, she basically said penises are the cause of soy many problems.
Yes. Okay, hang on,
but that is let's not put that out there. No, no, let me finish you still absolutely have to go there is so much that can be abnormal or you know, things going on regardless of whether you're you have had sex with a man or with anyone. So absolutely do not follow my stays and wait till you're 30 to get a pap smear do it before then. But um, you are far less at risk, but you are still at risk. So you know, do it. Like all things medical, I think the biggest thing with getting a pap smear is that it's often it coincides with the sexual health check. So they're two different things and they're checking for two different things. Yeah.
Cervical Cancer being the main thing. Do you know what also if you've had a pap smear? Like if you're gay, it won't be an issue. You're sweet. Don't worry about it. Just sort of
Big Friday really, isn't it?
Okay, next question. Moving on. Michela said it doesn't have to be a stereotypical Butch or male in the relationship. I love this question. I hate people like who's the boy who's the go? Ah, there is
no boy. That's the point.
Right? If we wanted a boy, we wouldn't be dating a girl tells you what to talk about that.
Yeah. No short answer. No. Absolutely does not need to be it. Like we just said the point is there is no male. That's,
that's the point of lizard relationships. Next question.
I think that though, maybe, you know, the very first question, FIM stem or mask is do you think that's where she's coming from? Maybe? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think I've only been predominantly attracted to stems or judging this girl. So my types very, very specific, very specific. And Talia is only to my knowledge of being with quite feminine women. But then our good friend Lola, who we both know and love She is a beautiful feminine or now she's actually less confusing now, isn't it? She's always gone for fam girls. She's always been a fan. It's just a personal preference. It's like just like you thought it's just you like guys would beads and tags, you know kind of Baka bad boys. That's just your type. It doesn't matter. It just it's just a it's a personal preference.
But short answer is no. You can have two super feminine girls, you can have two super androgynous girls, it doesn't matter.
Neither here nor there. Talia Lisa said, Why do lesbian relationships move quickly? So I think what she's trying to say is moving around, we know the jack, I'm going to tell the joke for those who have not heard this joke. It's a very famous lesbian joke and it is, what does the lesbian bring to a second date? And the answer is a you hole or like a budget truck. And the gag is that lesbians move very quickly and by the second day, you guys are moving together and Getting a dog. Oh, hilarious because Talia and I lived together and we put the dog in the house and a house.
Yeah, you know what I think? Like,
okay, this is how I would how I would put it. I think when you've got a guy and a guy and a girl
someone in the party is always playing hard to get, you know, a lot of the time the guys will be super nonchalant, like, Oh, no, no. Fuck, yeah, stepped up my game. I don't want anything too serious, right. So then the girl will play it cool as well and be like, Oh, you know, I'm chill. I'm chillin, you know, and there's that push pull for a long time in heterosexual relationships in the upstage, I think women are super emotional creatures. We just are by nature. And so when you've got two girls that have all the fields, there's no one you know, doing the whole masculine boy thing of playing it cool. You've just got like, I'm frothing and I'm dropping and so there's an Unlike my bullshit, you just like, you
know, I'm obsessed with you. You're obsessed with me. Let's do it and you only end is my fucking bullshit. I just I fucking miss that I can do I miss that really diverting?
Yeah, there's very little push pull, there's no games. It's just like, you know, and girls talk with her. So, you know, we'll, we'll be honest about how we're feeling. Whereas boys often far more reserved and don't want to be open straightaway. So when you've got these two girls colliding, and they're just like, I really liked you. I really liked you too. It just kind of explodes. It's actually super beautiful. It's like it is deep connection Really? Quickly. Yeah, it's super quick. But like you said you skipped three months of games. Mm hmm.
That is a you've just summed it up so beautifully. That is exactly what it's like. That is exactly what it's like, and you're making me very confused with what I want to be doing myself moving forward.
Lily said do you hate men?
Oh, I hate them. Not to die absolutely
kidding. That is such a
that's such a misconception it's bullshit.
It's such a silly generalisation and misconception
it's funny because even like Tali, you said like growing up like all your best friends with guys.
Yeah, fully. It's like it's really ridiculous. It's kind of like asking a straight girl. Do you hate women? Because you don't choose to, to be attracted to them. It's like, What do you mean? Yeah, absolutely not. I think I think where that stereotype has come from is because lesbians cop so much shit from men in general, that we have to be defensive and staunch on occasion. So if I think we've kind of got this reputation as man haters, but really I think it's just been generations of lesbians defending themselves. Mm hmm. But short answer, no. I do not hate men and most lesbians do not hate men. Yeah.
Next question is don't even try I love this. I bought because you can tell when Jess is so uncomfortable. Like she like obviously, nothing fazes me and just as they're going, Oh, just just ask it go I'm okay. He's scissoring a thing that actually works. I get asked this a lot, a lot, and they always do like the weed hand action of scissoring. Um, yeah, it's a thing that works. Obviously, it's a thing that works just like 60 nining works like the same thing. Just reverse kind of and like mix up a little bit. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it works great.
And a story is a thing. It works. I always say that. Like, I've said this a couple times to my straight friends. Unlike I feel like when you first start dating someone, you do a lot of crazy things because you're in that honeymoon period. You're like, Oh, what? Yeah, I'm down for that show. I just feel like I don't know, in my, in my experience, personally. Um, I mean, scissoring it takes a lot of rhythm.
Oh, my God. Let's just leave it mysterious. instead. Try it. Okay.
Give it a go. And you won't you won't regret it is my answer. If you were single, would you consider dating a closeted girl? Am I direct that one at you, Talia?
I think it would be circumstantial. I think, you know, if she was closeted to just to family members for obvious reasons, like, you know, they're not going to be okay with it. I think I would be empathetic and understanding in that situation. She was completely closeted to everyone. It look if it was just a hookup sure if it was someone I was really into and had feelings for. Probably not knowing that's the secret. That's not nice. But then it's also, you know, double edged sword because they're keeping a secret for a reason. And that's not nice for them. Mm hmm. You know what I mean? Yeah, it used to hook up for sure. If it was serious, probably not. I think
it's an age thing as well. I think when we were younger, when I was like 1617 eight when you and I got together, you know, I was you're 21 I think that you're a little bit more open minded and understanding I am now 32 times About 210 30
fucking how you're so old I know
um so i think that i know as you get older you kind of you want better for yourself you don't want to be solely secret you you want your you're proud you're comfortable in your own skin and you will be able to bring your partner to Christmas and Easter whenever else and I think you have the same view upon us i think it's it's very much about the circumstance ties right so then right said is a buy curious go a turnoff to a lesbian?
Ah, no. The short answer No. You have
Okay. Oh answer? Oh, no, go on.
I think everyone on point has been inexperienced. I think that we all remember what that's like. And I think that when you have a connection with someone, especially fame out of female connection that she does not fucking matter. Like you just don't even care. I mean, I remember being happy to make out for like 17 hours you don't care. I'm just so into them. It's so intense and I
don't think experience in any Gay Straight bi lesbian. I don't think that matters. That's my experience. No way. Absolutely, like totally fine amount of experience you have had Todd is completely irrelevant then in terms of hooking up with someone who's curious again, I think circumstantial if it's just for fun if it's just a hook up, for sure. But if it's someone you have genuine feelings for and you think like fuck could get really hurt here because you're just mucking around and I'm really into you type thing. That's where that comes into play, I think. Yeah. Because you know, this by curious go, it might just be a bit of fun. Yeah, so
circumstantial. So Mel said at what point do you count something sexual as sex between two girls? I remember being in maybe even Italian place. We'd broken out we were just friends and we had pre drinks at her place before girl thing and this question came up in every single room in a group of like 30 lesbians open bisexuals, and every single person answer was different sex. I mean, sex is gonna differ for everyone.
Yeah, I mean, I think some lesbians consider like penetration. Yeah. sex. Yeah. And then I've always considered it, like as much as two women can do together sexually. Alright, just come on with tonight. Girls. We have two more questions. I'm sorry. Let's get through them. Maddie said Why do my friends and female relationship seems so intense and dramatic? And I feel Yeah. You know, as Talia said like, when you fall in love with a female like everything is so great and intense. And so you've got you know, you're talking about your feelings and your emotions and you're so open and honest and that's all amazing but at the same time, that works both ways. You know, like the good the massive highs come with the massive lows like imagine two lesbians imagine being in your lives relationship and then you both having your period at the same time.
Think like as a just mentioned and as we mentioned earlier, it's just like there's a lot more emotions. There's no one playing a call. There's no one, you know, being staunch and refusing to communicate like, everything's on the table. So yeah, there's a bit more drama. It's a bit more intense, but it's, it's a lot more. I mean, not always, but it's always raw and yeah, feeling and intense and deep. And that's actually super beautiful. And there's a lot of growth in the in the bad too. So I feel like you learn a lot. I think that
dramatic. Yeah, I mean, but I mean, what the word drama and dramatic is such a fucking masculine coined term to describe any female showing any kind of emotions, like, I could be like, Hey, I'm feeling a little bit upset today. And then suddenly, I'm fucking being dramatic.
That's also when,
yeah, that's also one of the beautiful things about, I think female relationships. I remember in fact, using myself as an example I remember very early on in our relationship, I was so used to causing drama, and creating fights that have nothing to test my relations. And to push boundaries and to and to get my opponent to make me feel secure. And I remember being at the same bar that Talia and I met at and trying to start a fight. And she yanked me outside not gonna, like call out. But basically I was like this. She was like, coming in. I was like, oh, and she put me on the front. And she was like, Look, I know what you're doing. And I'm not doing this tonight. So just start pay. And I was like, wait, what she's like, I don't want to fight with you. I don't know why you're doing this. I love you. You love me. Let's have a good night. Yeah. And I was like, Fuck, okay, yeah, well, that was that cleared up quite quickly, wasn't it? Um, amount of excuses and things to have a problem with? So I guess that's it was good night, but not really. Yeah. Whereas with a guy I'd be like, what do you may not be like? Yeah. You'd be like the fuck you and yeah, I don't know. Okay, finally, Alec said, Do you need to have new toys for every new partner and that is obviously assuming that you do have toys.
Yes. Yeah, probably. Mm hmm. putting me in you can wash him, but it's like, you know,
my understanding is it's common courtesy when you're enlisting like to get new toys per partner. That's my understanding. But you know if Tommy wants to be a timeout and recycle, for sure I'll back that new toy because she's a vegan and she's a vegetarian. She loves her environment. I'm like, let's do it sounds expensive though. It's so expensive. Oh my god.
Just to clarify, you don't need toys. I know heaps of people who don't use toys. It's unnecessary.
You know, if you if you're talented then
got five toys per hand. Oh, well, that was a big March. Well, no,
that was good. All right. Thanks for a second snippet. Okay, so now towels. Talia, my beloved. The best ex I've ever had in my life. Sorry to ollie out this. Okay, so you were kind enough to allow me because I know that you and I in our relationship you know, it's often question I know you're struggling. about it. People can't quite seem to wrap their head around us still being mates. You still being in my life while we're still buddies? So I opened up my Instagram who are obsessed with you, by the way, it was disgusting. So can can just ask you a few questions about yourself. Is that okay? Sure. All right, hit me. Let's do it. And this is a nice one. What's a comment made about your sexuality that stuck with you the most? To be honest,
something that happens repeatedly. that bugs me more so than just little comments. That has happened way too many times that I'm sure so many girls can relate to is the lack of respect when you're out and you get hit on by a guy. So like, for example, getting hit on by a guy at the bar and you say, Oh, no, sorry, I'm here with my girlfriend and their eyes light up. You would not have reacted like that. If I said no, sorry. I'm here with my boyfriend, you would have walked away immediately. I think that's the the one thing more so than just comments that were really bugs me is the lack of respect from males specifically for female relationships is they see it as a gateway for a threesome or super hot fantasy they've made up in their head that's like no actually like I've just said no because I'm here with my partner just respect that. So true. How is by girl meant to know
who I suppose if they're into girls how to flirt and make it clear that you cane on another female? I love this. Because I get so many people asking me this question. They're like, Hey, tell you a bla bla bla bla like, how do you get how do you go out there? Like, do I have to wear a band? Hey, do I have to get nose piercing, like Taliaferro? How do you know to cut your hair off? Are you kidding? How How does a buy go? show that they're that way inclined?
Look, there isn't there is no easy answer to this. I think
unless you've got the balls to just straight up, go up to someone and ask them there is no real way to know either. Otherwise you've just got to read the room drop some subtle hints and see
t sex like some serious eye contact
totally that's what I may drop the hints and see if it's reciprocated I think unless like you know you didn't work
for me man You thought I hate it was just about to say
you're sure why we've got no game. Everyone else has surely a bit more game than that.
Also just have the conversation.
Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean. So either have the conversation or save yourself the embarrassment if you're a bit more shy and go to like queer events go Okay, things like go that's a good point.
That is great advice. If you buy curious go to events because people will live stream if you're in the room at those events, you probably on the spectrum. Totally. You're gonna have to clarify this next one for me because someone said is Talia a goldstar lesbian.
Wow, I am so terrified that that's basically a lesbian who's never slept with a guy before. So you are it makes me more of a list. And then someone who has but yes, it's an old school boy and that's termed
for a bit of a tidbit. If you are a platinum gay, that means you are a gay guy who was born by Caesarean and therefore has never touched a vagina. So, welcome. So there Yeah, I mean, there are all kinds of you know that Talia? I didn't know that one. Yeah, well, I'm just sharing, you know, sharing the news. So since you've never had sex with a guy, someone said, howdy, how do you know you aren't straight?
No, this is another question that I've caught taped out. For example, I remember the first time I was asked this, it was by a guy who was like, you know, total footy head big, burly dude. Very Ozzy bloke, basically, and said pretty much exactly the same things like you if you've never never slept with a dude, how do you know you don't like it? You might you might be into it. And I literally just turned to him and I was like, have you fucked the dude? And he reacted accordingly and was just like, what? No I see if I'm like well how do you know you don't like it?
Oh my god Talia that's fucking amazing.
Cuz I just know and I was like as do I. Oh my God, my
Dude I just I couldn't even like no
that was fucking phenomenal response mate that is phenomenal someone's asked Do I have to be labelled by if I'm just kissing girls when I'm out and nothing more
you do not have to be labelled anything at all you know what you can sleep with girls and still identify as straight you
I'm done with labels I think they're stupid Fannie Mae just super proud of your sexuality for sure get a lesbian badge and wear it but if you do not feel like you fit any label or do not want to be put into a label then don't and do what you want and that's fine,
but two more questions and I am going to make it a little bit more personal. Okay, Graham, what was the biggest lesson you both learned from your relationship? Together Telly you go fast. Do you know what I actually what I learned from Talia what I learned that was most important to me My life has actually nothing to do with offspring relationship. Talia had was amazing enough to realise that I'm hating me and being angry with me was causing him more pain and so she forgave me and I don't think I would ever have had that immediate do that. And since then moving forward, I've been much more forgiving and understanding in my life. And I think that that was the most important lesson that I learned from our relationship. Talia Jade
Oh, I think the most data fuckwit the ones that
if your partner thinks going on reality TV is a good idea. Say No. If you partner things leaving her in lockdown to goodness, fun and the grace of God did dump her on.
No, I think the biggest lesson I learnt from our relationship is probably just respecting everyone's individual journey, understanding that everyone's on their own little trip is such a big thing and when you're able to understand that you don't take the things that they do and say as personal and you're a bit more understanding for the things that they do not not excusing bad behaviour or anything like that, standing that, you know life is happening individually for everyone, and that's okay.
All right, guys. So big brother. I'm so sorry. But I'm gonna have to ask some questions by the way as to what we're used to Italia. Are you ready? Ready? Oh, she's fucking she's sorry. She's I'm
out of here. So big brother is a massive part of the both of your stories.
Obviously, you were together before you went into the big brother house. Totally. And then when you came out, you withdrew?
Yeah, I went in. I went in. I'd been Danny Talia for two years. I went and I met drew a couple of weeks into the shower. And then yeah, I fell in love with him and was not very well behaved and brutality is hot. And then she left me and it was a little bit clusterfuck Mm hmm. So Talia, how did you handle saying that?
Yeah, it wasn't fun at the time, obviously.
But you know, it's like I've said before I saw it coming way before anything happened. Like I could tell he made a nervous and then all of those sorts of things. So it wasn't necessarily unexpected. But yeah, I didn't make it any easier. But yeah, we're okay.
What was the moment that you? I guess you knew your relationship with Telly was arriba. Maybe that you wanted to end it?
Ah, look, I'm actually a pretty open minded person. There was quite a while there where I was actually okay with things to an extent. And I used to have the producer the producer would call me basically before things went to air and would be like, Oh, just a heads up. This happens and this happens. I'm like, okay, sweet. Thanks for letting me know. And basically, before one episode, the producer rang me and said, Oh, just a heads up. They kiss tonight. And I was just like, Okay, cool. Thanks for letting me know. I hung up the phone and started making arrangements to move out basically. Mm hmm. So it's probably that moment where I was like, Alright, like, this is what it is. This is something let's just move on.
And did you. Sorry, I'm going off script here. But did you at that point? Ever see you intelli getting back together?
No, no, no, that was that was it for you? Yeah. That was it. That was it. Yeah.
That's all down there.
No, I understand. But it's Yeah, it's never easy to hear that. Yeah.
Outside of that, you know, if Telly hadn't have, you know, hooked up with you at that time, do you think you would have lost it with Telly as it was anyway?
Oh, good question.
Be honest, I'm gonna be honest and I think you will back me totally No. No, because it you know, it's funny because we Kelly and I have such good friends now we have very honest conversations with each other. And we actually both said like, how do we die?
Different like it's honestly a conundrum like how the fuck we you and I had to get that for so long had that work? What the fuck?
Yeah, so short answer. No, probably not. I think we're always destined to be mates. But yeah, relationship. cubs?
Yeah. What was your journey? Like when you you know, you've obviously if you've given tally, look at you both. You know, what was that journey like and how long did it take and what did it take to kind of get over something like that?
Yeah, this is actually something that I still years later and you totally get asked all the time by people. I think it's a really common thing is people find it such a hard thing to become friends with exes and stuff. It's a process and it's circumstantial. You know, obviously, if that person was bad for you don't even attempt to be friends. They don't need to be a part of your life. You know, Tony wasn't toxic. She wasn't bad for me. So I never felt like I needed rid of her completely. But basically, as with all breakups time, it just takes time there was, you know, a period of a couple months where we were both It was super roles actually
angry was like, six months. So we actually didn't talk. People think that we just went from like that to being amazing. That's not what happened. And there was a lot of healing time. And it was about six months where we didn't actually speak at all. So it wasn't as simple as everyone thinks it was. I don't think any, any couples should try and be friends immediately. I think time apart needs to be taken where you can re establish, you know, a new relationship where you interact differently.
And then once you're both at a point where and again, you need to both be over it cannot be friends. If one person is still into it, it's just not going to happen. So both parties need to be over it. Um, but yeah, in terms of you know, Talia and I specific Yeah, we had a break for a solid six months and then we started working on a friendship and it wasn't until, you know, I was pretty certain that she was over it and had moved on. And also I had done the work to move past my anger about what had happened. And then just baby steps from there working towards becoming mate.
Yeah. I mean, your network is a big part of any relationship. How did both of your families kind of handle that fallout from what happened on Big Brother?
Holly? No, you know what? I'm it's hard. I Talia, his family. Her mom specifically had become very I become very close with her mom. End of the day, our families are always going to protect us and love us the most and it was tough. It was tough to watch. You know, our families. It was hard for them. It was hard for us. It was hard for them. Talia hasn't brought that I have a very outspoken brother. It was it was rough for a bit there. But you know, it's all fine now. I send Talia his mom Mother's Day messages every single year. And she responds. So again, it was hard at first but I think we have come through the other end Talia.
Yeah, totally agree. I mean, obviously it was, it was such a crazy time to with the amount of media spotlight I think had around it as well. So it was all very confusing and writing and invasive too. So yeah,
it was tough because I remember I'm telling you, so my mom was obviously already very, very, very sick by that point. And Talia, his mom was very much my mother. in every sense of the word. She'd buy me like slippers in winter and like, make sure I had nice towels. Yeah, and she remember she messaged me and she was like, not only broken ties, Have you broken my heart too. And like that was very sobering.
The show she went mama
She as she showed, as she as she should, but everything is everything's okay now um are on good terms. Yeah. Someone said to scribe tele in three words and describe your relationship in five Gods
obnoxious loud um
I can I'm gonna say you better say oh you know what
I'm trying to like find a nice middle
years together babe t words. I'm going to say fierce loving surely like really offer short yeah
but a bit of a tornado. There's two three.
That is you totally. Okay. Cool. Yeah. What would you have said metalia know for yourself. Oh, I'm crazy cut snake. Okay, so it's pretty important. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You were implying same things, different words. And then the five words for your relationship. Oh, God didn't want I think it's like, can you everyone just remember that like we hadn't lationship before the show like we obviously we weren't miserable. We wouldn't have been together. Sure. Yeah,
it was a lot of fun. We had heaps of fun. Mm hmm. It was new year especially. Yeah, it was exciting.
Those a little love.
a roller coaster. That's my thoughts.
Okay, guys, we've got one last question. And I'm sorry if this is a little bit sensitive, but it came through a lot. A lot of people want to know tele what your thoughts are on telly. His girlfriend who I believe is named PJ. She is Yeah, I love Okay, so first of all, it's been a rough ride Vitaly his girlfriend. I don't usually like them. I have loved the last two PJ is fucking amazing Tara and I actually really, really close on Instagram which is weird because I've never actually okay. Which is bizarre right towels. Oh, that's a little bit so when we went into lockdown PJ sent me in the tele pizza if that's not a 2020 lesbian ex relationship like I don't know what fucking is like Talia didn't even have an idea that was happening. She legend.
She's the best.
Yeah, that's it. She's the fucking bass and she's super hot. She's way harder than me. And were cooler than me. And she sent me fuckin Tila pizza so I cannot complain. What have your exes thought of Telly?
Well, as as with most situations, with exes, it's always been a bit dubious in the beginning. Of course, there's that like, Oh wait, you're still super tight with your ex like what is their baggage like what's the deal but I think as soon as People understand the dynamic and understand the relationship and how platonic it is. which can be confusing because Telly is such a, you know, poetic and romantic type person the way she speaks about it, sometimes people can still be like, Oh, she's still into you. She's not this No, she's a lover. So into that 100% so as soon as new partners understand that dynamic and understand that friendship, they're completely fine with it as as Kelly said, she's she's friends with PJ my current partner at the moment, and you know, they get along like a house on fire. And I think we get
a lot more than like, we took we took a break late and Tyler and I do hands down. All right, gals, thank you so much for sharing your stories and for answering those questions. It's been, I mean, it's been incredibly insightful for me. And I opening and I say I'm so proud of you towels like fuck me. You've come so far you've come I'm not gonna cry. You've come so far and I'm didn't cry this whole time.
And we're gonna cry right before the tears. Come on. No
I'm just so proud of you you just you so eloquent You're so well spoken and I just I love everything we stand for and I you know he you know you've you've brought me so much joy and but also you know things to ponder and things to think about and and I've truly taken a leaf out of your booklet when it comes to forgiveness and to letting people they're on their own paths continue that so I truly thank you for dedicating this time to talk to us today on too much Talia. You know, I love you forever. And I'm so appreciative. You're still in my life?
No, no worries. Likewise. Thank you. So
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