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Hello and welcome to Episode Two of too much Tali. We have as always my producer Jess, Jess. Hello. Hello, you look beautiful this morning. What's happening to you face to me? Oh, maybe? Oh, I guess so last week's episode was a bit of a get to know me this week's episode we're gonna get to know a friend of mine friend Can you please introduce yourself?

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Hello What's up man It's Mr. Kiran stop

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now obviously there is such thing as too much Telly I do tend to go overboard Is there such thing as too much Karen

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was definitely not a thing no nothing's off

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limits nothing's off limits All right, let's do it. Let's get

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going with the same of last episode we do have a drink we have upped the ante though we haven't got passion pup anymore. We're drinking for Sekhar and I just said no more. I tried going for the mix berry passion pot because that's my favourite but she was like not I'm putting my foot down we're gonna have Prosecco but we are making it slightly more appropriate for this time of day. We've got a bit of oj in there from Mimosa. I will say justice is probably not 90% rj and 10% Prosecco and mine is looking very watery, isn't it?

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It is a dash of orange.

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I don't even think it's a dash here. And I think that's just mainly Prosecco with whatever was left in the gloss and you all kind of in the middle there. It's playing even. Yeah, fair enough. Okay, so Kiran, you've had the paps following you around.

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I have indeed. Yeah.

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Talk us through that. How did that happen?

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How did it happen? I've got a great story about that often

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tell us everything.

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So we don't know Tim. Tim Hanley to my Lima, good mate from the show. He was cleaning out some rubbish from the old house and saw this guy in a car got a bit, you know, what was a bit shifty? went over another look and just said to him, he's like what you're doing and he's practising falling around for a few days and telling him he's got shots of this and that and Tim's bricking it. And then in true Tim fashion goes, Well, if you leave me alone, I'll give you Karen's address.

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So it's completely fine. You under the bus, they're completely thrown

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out. They didn't even give him a fake address, which he could have and the guy wouldn't known but no, he's giving my real address. And then for some reason finds it absolutely hilarious that

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how did that get because if my friend did that, to me that's like friendship ending stuff like I would be fuming cuz that's an invasion of privacy. That's a betrayal of your friendship.

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Yeah, boy it's just it's me and Tim is just what we do see not bothered

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at all by it.

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Well, there's not much you can do about it is a bit annoying, but I've just got to make sure I look good, which I usually do anyway.

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It's hard for you look bad. I'll attest to that. Okay, so what have they captured so far? What is what if some of the photos you've seen come out of this this talking that I

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nearly had a little hissy fit when I was at the gym trying to get my bag out of the car. It got stuck in your stomach. Supposed to be simple. Ai isn't simple. It's taking the sun and pulling it in. And you're taking photos of it. And I've like throw my bag on the floor under breather and picked it up and as I picked it up and turn around, there's a guy in a four wheel drive big lens out the window and I was like, kidding me?

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rageous Yeah,

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and he for like a good half an hour drive all the way to the gym. Yeah, I went to work and I was like this guy

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getting paid to do that.

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Right like Madden your job been to like, stalk the people like for hours at a time like he's obviously been sitting at Karen's house two hours. Yeah. And then going okay now as you go and they sit there for hours and he follows him to the next place.

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Yeah, the guy as well. So I got my boss, right and my coach Anthony to go in. Tell him, you know, get out there bounce. And you when he come back, he's like the weirdest thing I've ever seen as a trainee when he's at a full bed setup in the bar. And he's like, must be like, sleepaway camp now. I was like, great. So now you're probably sleeping outside my house. Do you

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guys know how much credit cards for? No I've been told when I was on Big brother and I obviously as drew we had a few paps reach out to us and offer us deals like I think a few of them and I'm sure if you have like the bachelor in Paradise, people are probably cutting these deals.

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Oh, I've done it before.

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Karen I don't know that. Yeah, I did it. Do you actually get paid?

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I thought they just bullshit though. I thought I just got told you like oh, this is You know, someone said to me I'd just come out of the show didn't really know what was up from down. And people like you should do this for this because other people make money on you. And I went, I wouldn't thought I'd do it and like yeah, then you'll get a cut. I did it. Fuck you didn't do anything good for me just landed me in a lot of trouble. Not doing that again. Yeah,

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cut though.

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Yeah, it was painted

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in Chicago.

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Oh, a couple of hundred here in there.

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That's bullshit. And I was expecting randidly

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big money. No, I was nothing. Oh,

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so how you'd like do you believe like, they would have said that was a cut of whatever they would pay. But do you believe what they told you like?

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Well, I don't know. Obviously now. No, not to trust that kind of people. So I don't

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believe you did that. Well, I was fresh. I was fresh. Show friends back then I would have told you that to

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me. That's what I needed. I needed friends who knew that sort of stuff. I didn't know I was just like some rock star lifestyle. Going out partying, you know,

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you still think you're a rock star.

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You do. I did a quick Google this morning of you with an image search. For the news articles I wanted to see what they've captured of you lately. And I saw a really really great shot of you falling on your ass on the beach beach yeah

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yep Tom said that to me makes you listen to

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to mystery women always like to miss what it would to mystery with her

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but it's one of the girls that just lives near rose that I'm friends with frequent coffee take the dog for a walk down the beach having a chat and I was actually reading something on my phone and my coffee one and walking down the dog beach didn't see that a dog had dug a hole. So I'm walking down the beach and I've literally just put one foot in there and they just fell over

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because obviously it's really fast like capturing so it's like every single like him sort of as he goes down that is

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fulfilling slight little curtsy. And I was

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captured you having a bad get stuck and having a hissy fit at the gym. Yep, falling into a dog Hall and falling on your ass at the beach. Do you think these guys are gonna ruin your like sexy bad boy reputation. I mean Having a hissy fit and falling in holes it's not really that bad. Is it? Okay, so another one this morning. hot off the press. You're looking a little bit dishevelled. You still have blond hair so it kind of in a recent photo.

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Only a towel in some nondescript apartment blocking up Uber Eats. What took us through that one and

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taken care it was taken in most of it in Sydney. I think. Not too sure whereabouts but

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in the last year, we reckon

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it wasn't this year. It was a guy looks

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like he's a good looking boy. Like look at it. Look at him.

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Look at me. I was looking at you. I'm pushing for I'm not blushing. Okay. he's a he's a good looking guy. But that you know, you can definitely tell when, when he's had a big night and I think he probably had a big night

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and got a few big knives. By the looks of it. Your hair is just like one one matted? Yes. Oh,

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it's a big night hair or sex hair

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probably go We both to say

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Oh, it's okay so obviously you recently moved house he will live with Tim yep in the ultimate bachelor pad like I can vouch for this I had been there it is it was literally what you would imagine to like a frat house. So it was t McCarran and the other really good friend Jackson. But in saying that whenever I was there, there was always at least another one guy that was sleeping on the couch for like, a long time. Yep. It was like dropping Santa. So they had it was a big, big, big house. When I first

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moved there. I was on the couch in one of the spare rooms and that was it. I was sharing a video

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sharing that with you.

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Wake up and he's this fucking behemoth of a man. He's just spooning me and cuddling me in the leg. The first couple times. I was like, Oh, you turn around. And then I called for like a week or two into it and he was spooning me and I was like, I'd wake up and I'd go

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it's actually not so.

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But no, no why girls like it.

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It's kind of cute in it I was like fuck you, then go back sleep.

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I think a lot of people don't realise I was definitely like quite obvious and publicised that you moved from moved from Darwin to Sydney, you're in Sydney very briefly. And you moved from Sydney to Melbourne. And everyone knew you were living with Tim but I don't think people realise you were actually sharing a bed with Tim for like a good couple of months,

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at least three and a half, four months or so what would happen if

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for instance, I mean, I'm not saying you do but what happened to for instance, one of you maybe had a sleepover like where would the other one go?

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What do you mean if you have someone

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if you had someone else come and stay in the bed? It was it like three in the bed? Like

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it might have been free in the bed. No, not really stood it.

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You're just gonna show up to that couch.

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Yeah, I was on a little dingy couch. And it was like a couch that even the pillows weren't even the pillows or the cushions for that couch says like, I've done it in the weirdest positions wake up and I was like, this has been the worst sleep Cook back now your crew back in even a little dingy blanket Yeah. And then I'd wake up and bite her asleep in your bed tonight oh one of the boys weren't there I'd gone yeah jumping though but

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it was it's serious like what you would imagine it's a massive house really old huge it's like three different living rooms couple different dining rooms massive old bedrooms nice big sort of outdoor backyard and it was just constant like people in and out and so then lockdown happened obviously I was like Oh, you've got it so good because you're literally yeah it was like at home because I got home with like two best mates

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there no he said we got bored so we like full renovated the back garden we built or why didn't Jackson turn the dog house into a chicken coop? Which was definitely not a chicken cans

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chickens as well. What are you just making scrambled eggs every morning?

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Did you have a really nice water feature though? That was nice. We did that.

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Yes, Jackson. He just bought a trailer. And he called himself like a tree doctor higher so he was in the back garden he's like chopping off branches as well about this one. Please leave that branch otherwise it is still healthy so looks dead. Yeah, proper.

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So now you've moved out yep Hello birds have parted ways

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that's it Tim's got on his own little adventure with his front runner which is putting a lot of time and effort into Yeah,

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it looks really great. I'm excited hope we get some freebies surely surely. Need some more good looking, represent his stuff

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and then may as well? Where are you dealing with Jackson?

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Yes, I live with Jackson. We're in Port Melbourne. Everyone knows that now because

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perhaps the way you are now we all know where you live. Exactly. Post bachelor in paradise. Obviously it was filmed months ago. We know this. We've had to wait so long. I mean, I've been dying to say like we've all been waiting to see it. I'm

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pretty sure it was meant to come out in March.

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Yeah, it was pushed back because of COVID all in which to me is silly because we will all suck at home anyway like we would have loved to watch it.

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Pretty surely the ducks that he wants to put film in the next one the next bachelor so in that your Oh, yeah right okay, I'm guessing

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they will go in a single and you either leave someone or you don't leave with someone. Yep. But you have to sign these contracts which is basically an NDA you can't talk about the show you can't give anything away you basically made to like put your lives on hold until the show is because they don't want to spoil the show right so expose the show if you say you know you see so and so together on the show but then you see the amount of someone else in your life and it's it's tricky because you know, whilst you guys can be can follow the rules and the contracts and not put anything on your own Instagram with stuff like pepper or t shirts like that's completely out of your control. Yeah, right.

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Yeah. Sit when you pay them.

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Pay them what they was paid. This was once I tried it got in trouble. That was it.

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I think it was a pretty big ask of them to film it last November,

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October, November around

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and then aret July The following year, and it Expect you all to just put your lives on hold that entire time. And that's a really big ask. that have been your best behaviour since then basically.

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Yeah, no, that's really happened. Does it mean my best behaviour,

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but your best behaviour is still this is you and your best behaviour like you've been pretty well behaved.

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Oh, since Oh yeah, started working in three good but apart from that was

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you had a big summer here in Melbourne.

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Yeah, it was a bit of a roller coaster some ups and downs. But you know, I'm sweating now. I'm going to be

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glad you made some Albin Novogratz, he was stolen

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the whole mystery now just because of

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my my old job I used to work out there doing events and that all my friends are back doing events and all wish you were here. So so do I.

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budgie smugglers and you're here and you're like on half a jacket. What are you doing yourself? Now I obviously have a bit of an idea but tell us tell people that don't have an idea without you.

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I'm working in a gym doing PT which is good which is my boxing gym

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is supposed to be in a celebrity boxing match that's also been postponed yeah

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that was meant to happen in April I was fighting adze for violent violent yeah but now it's all been pushed back it's good in a way that it's been pushed back now because the show is going to be bigger than ever because like the promoters they want to smash it like jail time

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to prepare for it more time to pump it up more time for you guys to train train

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so you know it's gonna look better anyway you know a few more that

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we'll get more skilled in walks instead of going in there looking like an idiot. Yeah,

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and to be fair when it was supposed to air you were hitting the potty, same pretty hard. Oh, smash. You want exactly training? why you shouldn't be

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training serious.

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You did get a brain injury.

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I think get knocked out on chapel Street.

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Yeah, my daughter's through that. What happened?

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Oh, I don't. I was with my mate and he'd never been to Melbourne. have not been out so I was like wicked he's coming down from Sydney picked him up a few drinks and then as oh just got on chapel Street. I was like cuz we got that ultra festival or summit the day I was I will just go down chapel. have a few drinks have a good time. He's like, yeah, sweet. I remember going out, taking him around a few places. And then the next thing I know, I'm waking up in the morning, and I'm just on this little dingy couch. Remember what happened? And then I wake up, and I'll look at my mate and he's like, what has happened to your head? And he's like, what? It was like what mate is up? Look at your head. You've got excellent your black guy. Wait, what he's like, Do you seriously remember anything? Oh, and remember, what is that touch the back or touch the back of my head? It was still like wet with blood. What?

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Why didn't they take you to the hospital? Oh, Jess, what's a great question just so you know, you've got guy friends.

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Oh, that was my fault apparently. So I'm doing everything turned up on the street. But I was having Not getting in. I'm not getting them all right. All right. doing you know the real big hero.

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Okay was in the army.

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You always say that they always say, I

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just think it's fine that comes up in my every chat every interview, you'll

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never do it.

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You're thinking maybe you're in the army.

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Yeah, well, I did look good at my uniform. So

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a man in uniform.

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Okay, so then Okay, so then what happened so you woke up the next day and you decided rather than saying oh, I'm probably concussed I might have an easy one probably shouldn't go to Ultra Music Festival I was going to stay on the couch or maybe even go to the hospital to get my head checked. What do you decide to do Karen?

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I looked at the back of my head got me to take a picture and he told me the rundown of what happened and I was like right so I got knocked out nice one don't don't remember it a bit of a headache because as you know as you would and then I guess, can you like wash all the blood off the back of my head? Who's washing it was proper saw sorted

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so you have the blonde hair then too? Yeah. Did Oh,

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no. Do not the browner and yeah, it was just like mad at that. The back of my head all this blood and all over my like new jacket and stuff. So

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that's what he was

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under seriously Yeah, it was a lot of stress. The jacket

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is dry cleaning place.

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Yeah, it looks like six $7 on this jacket

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pay for me.

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But this is regardless of the facts and pay for it. So it's mine. They are like my

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scalp so just the skull

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wasn't too fussed about that. So my main priority was getting all the boot out of this jacket. So my friend come over she's like, Oh, I'm fine. Got it all out. I was like sweet to go the hospital site now she'll be alright. I don't feel too bad. And everyone's like, probably should. I was like, No, look, we got altered state. Yeah, went to water. And I was absolutely not in a good way. went there and I was just tired drinking felt a bit of a headache. Yeah, it was not in a good way. And I was at some club. I don't know where I was. And then around that ring you Yeah,

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you're sending me text messages that did not make any sense and I He had a stroke.

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Yeah. So then till he comes to my rescue picked me up, and then went back to yours and woke up in the morning. And I was slurring my words. Couldn't, couldn't stand up properly. I was like, and she was like, What happened? And I told her, she said, Are you serious? And I was hospital here? Yes.

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Yeah. In the next few days. Now, Fred,

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Is it funny? I mean, you can laugh at it now. Sorry, did you have a brain scan?

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So we had to do a CAT scan, brain scan,

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bleeding, and he's Brian, thank God, but he had a serious concussion that stayed with him for like, weeks afterwards. This concussion, you know, sports lady came and spoke to us with this massive shade of like do's and don'ts and she was

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like, she was like, What sports do you do? And I was like, I've just started boxing, and we're not doing that anymore. I was like, fighting like the fight was literally two three weeks after, that's when it was scheduled. And I was like this fight and she was like, You got that you'll get brained and I was like, bobblehead garden she's like you don't see you getting the point like, you can't do this. She

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literally was like, she honestly you've got you've got a brain injury. And that's what a concussion is. And it was a really serious one. At this point. He still couldn't open his eyes. He was still in pain that given him everything they could give him. And she said usually had you come in right afterwards who would have said for the next week or next couple of days, don't even be on your phone is in a phone screen is too much stimulation. He's gone to a music festival

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with flashing lights.

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Anyway, long story short, he still wasn't very well for a couple of days. And yet that weekend,

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Jess, weekend, Kim.

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So was booked in for an appearance up in Noosa with the boys and then there was quite a lot of others that were booked in to do it. And we had this like massive mansion and stuff up there and I thought I'd be great. And so he was a bit you know, concerned. She's like, this has just happened last week. You've been told to rest I thought well, I'll be fine. I got their own dream

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nursing home like literally like basically spoon feeding him for it for a week.

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I was I was not in a good way but I'll be fine. starting to come a little bit good week. She was like but just thinking your health on this one listen to what the experts have said and I was like yeah, for sure. He'll be fine. Flights news new sir. There's what 15 those lads all together?

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Do you really think I wasn't gonna drink?

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To be fair the first night I was keeping tabs. He's silly because like, although he didn't put anything on his stories, because he knew that I'd be up he's off. I follow I have all I'm friends with all his friends now. It was like hearing I can see in the background of that other video. You've got a drink in your hand, like put that drink down. Anyway, next morning I wake up and it was 10am and he sent me a snapshot of him. But it wasn't cool when you like

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oh yeah, so we're texting a cruiser.

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We took one of the Blitz cars we had the you took it to like a dumb Murphy's all over the bottle shop. And we got I think it was like 1100 dollars worth Have cruisers and I just fireball and then Rome and all that and we were just unloading it back Alyssa you and then every colour of the rainbow oh yeah proper height we've cleaned them out yeah absolutely yeah just be gone from there and

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so did you recover okay though

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Coronavirus Bear or something because I was like the last night and I'm not drinking today I've felt terrible mind you stop that morning so I was in bed and I was just getting like really cold and was getting cold sweats and hot sweats and I was shivering shaking like I got out of bed and the cold hurt my skin was up and what have I done to myself before I like this is it totally was

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also there like I'll vouch for this, like your memory hasn't been the same since that head injury.

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Nah, you always had a pretty shitty memory about a terrible memory but since that it's definitely got worse.

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So What have you learnt about boxing? What are you going to do

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with that once it happened? I messaged my mate now Anthony, what my just my back coach at the time and I said, this has happened. And he's really He's like, yeah, and he was just in the back of his mind. He was thinking, This kid is breaking it because people don't before. So all this has happened then I've gone in. And I showed him like the back of my head.

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It's not pretty. I

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told him everything. And he was like, Oh, I went, yeah, I went, the lady told me shouldn't fight like the specialist and he said, Okay, I went, but I still want to do it. And he's like, What? Are you serious? He's on it only costs if you want to do this. And he's like, most people just say, Oh, I'm done. I'm not doing it. Now. I got a quitter. I'll do it. And he's like, Okay, and then Luckily, it got postponed because by two weeks of training, I was just, I was probably like, timid, and I was like, even out on the street, although it scared. PTSD. Yeah, you

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probably mean you probably definitely don't know this, but we actually there two boxes at the table

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as well. It's not me two boxes yes

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is also a box I yeah, not at the moment because of the story tell us she's gonna fight last few two. Oh yeah yeah for fight fit. Oh lovely yeah

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john Do you want I did knockout? Ah I wish

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I know their eyelashes out Yeah. Looking at the over FA yeah

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she had fake eyelashes on so

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people do that girls

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are what will you like bright? bright I had Friday

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looking real tough I was Yeah, they were taught.

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Yeah, I won undefeated still so I'll never do it again. Do it again. Okay boxing once it reopened, but I don't think I can do another you have any tips for Karen? Like he needs to duck and wave a little bit.

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Karen isn't the tallest guy in the world.

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Oh, well she walk on the height

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with epilepsy Argos. A little bit taller.

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Let's say these often I drop, right? We're

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the same height. We're both 510.

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Hence why I'm wearing fans. And he's wearing his blends. Iago is, post me totally sucks.

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But I

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saw I've seen him. I've seen some boxing footage of you show me the other day and he's very agile. You very like what's

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odd feel like if I keep moving, I'm not gonna get hit. So I spent 18 grand on a nose and I just had my teeth done. I was like, I don't really want to get punched,

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actually, let's do some quick calculations. Right. Okay, so how much was your nose job by 18? And how much were you veneers.

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And the bottom set would have been

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you've got a top set for free in terms of social

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effects, and then told him that my bottom set were pretty, pretty good deal as well. Although I think it would be about 55 if we were

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if we were to calculate what you're wearing right now. To know that danger jackets worth a bit, got a diesel jacket. We've got plenty Argos.

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I want to spend money on the way

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awesome Do y'all see because I've seen recently As well

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I don't need to go through my wardrobe is just remind me of how much money I spend little bit jealous.

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I am jealous because I don't get any presence.

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When you buy me frozen

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bagel the day

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I bought you you'd lunches today we're going to go tit for tat guys. This is actually really interesting. Boring chat, told me about Taylor Harris, because if you've been working with Taylor Harris,

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yes, obviously I know she's a beast. Yeah, she's one of the nicest people I've ever met on Twitter recently.

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But to see a woman who's got that much power is

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definitely more powerful than near 100%.

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She's tall. She's bigger than me. She's everything. I'll just like book. Her.

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Yeah, she's a beast and you guys went sleeping together. Is that is that top secret? Oh, we

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are going to be working on something together.

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But we're keeping that under wraps at the minute. There'll be something coming out which will be

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for a charity as well, right?

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Yes, I'm doing stuff for charity.

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Some when I do my fight

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money, I raise money to put it toward domestic violence for women. Because I've dealt with that as a kid like with my, their mom and all that sort of stuff. So for me, that's like a big, big thing to bring awareness to. And yeah, put money into so

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I think that's something that people don't know about you is that you know, you haven't had the easiest of upbringings. No, not yet. You basically you've brought up your siblings. You've got like, 100 siblings.

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Yeah, I've got five five brothers and sisters. Oh, boy, younger. Oh, younger. Yeah, he

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basically helped bring them up.

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I'm lucky as long as I've got two mums. Back home in the UK. So I'm a mom and then my stepmom but to me the both my mom and yes, so one of them is with my two little brothers, Connor and Finley Schatz, a homeschool mom and she was like I'm sick of these little kids being old 24 seven and our other moms doing the Hi mom. How's it going? Schwinn needs to bring these kids next. So she's got my Two sisters and then a little brother and she went can't deal with it when these little shifts just want to get them out of the house they got told in a minute stop March. Yeah, it's all kids went back to school till September. Oh my

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god, I didn't know anything your mom your mom was like, can you please because obviously he's all over here and that would be really I know that you struggle with that as well. I mean, I struggle with being away from my family and that is in Sydney. You haven't been home in how long? Oh, couple years

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now. to the UK? I'm not saying my dad. Or my

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dad in Perth. Step my memory in Manchester. Oh, yeah,

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the UK and everybody else's Yeah, back over that. So you haven't been home for a couple years now? Which is tough.

26:38
Like it's tough. And he's mom was like, can you please call Connor and like, just try and like get into his ear because he's just doing my head in and so you called him and you're like, poof, I can socks up me.

26:48
Yeah, so it's funny as my little brother Connor he was proper, like soft ass. He was just the most lovely kid. You know, never you wouldn't think it was like being at Pfizer or anything like this. But then he's just he's getting in school and I, all I remember is this little boy, cute little boy and now is like the bullies were having to go in at school and is for the first time stuck up for himself, and then realise that he could like sock one on a kid and fight back for him to defend himself. And now he's walking around like the copula school.

27:20
What do they think about your celebrity?

27:22
Like my little brothers? They just they'll see stuff.

27:26
Oh, no, they watched it. Yeah, they've watched the show. My little brother Connor. He watched it last night.

27:32
When I grew up. I want to be just like here. No, you don't

27:34
know. He was like, I don't like how they want to see you on that. It's not nice when I wish I was there.

27:40
Last couple episodes. You've been very upset. And that's, I mean, yeah, you haven't done your best behaviour. You're the first put your hand up and say that Oh, yeah. You're badly behaved often. Um,

27:50
I don't pretend No, no, you don't you do it wrong. Oh, I'll own up to it and dirt. You know,

27:56
you do own it. And you are I think you've you've just got you decided what That you know if you can be the first person to out your bad behaviour then it gets get over and done with you never shy away from you not a liar though I can vouch for that.

28:09
I don't really it's like always get found out

28:11
you grandma kind of brought you up took us through that.

28:14
Yeah. So your Nan manana Yeah. Whoa mama my grandma thought they were a little Dynamic Duo the pair of them

28:21
lived in the UK so that was 1213 and then I was at my mom's from like Monday to Friday just going to school doing whatever living in like council estates and all that but mom didn't have any money. So I was used to it. It didn't bother me that my grandma every Friday from since I was born, pick me up and take me to hose where I spent time my dad if he was you know,

28:44
your dad wasn't always around. Was he early on?

28:46
Oh no. I mean he was there but he was he was young. And he was just doing his thing. He was playing football. It's

28:52
a funny story. He dad used to use you to

28:55
yo he told me that he was so when I was born.

29:00
mean good looking kid, not mean can't

29:03
kick. I'm sure he's

29:04
like dress me up and my dad. My dad was it was a locker. He was. I mean, he's your dad. Yeah, he could walk down the street and not be fussed about trying to pick up a bird. That's what he did. But I remember it was nice prompts in a picture of it dressed me up in whatever my daughter dress up, you know, like fashion back in the day. And he literally just struck through like Barry bought in Manchester with me as a kid. Bait women?

29:30
He does with kids. Yeah, right. It's like the dog, the whole dog thing. We have a puppy. He

29:34
used it. He was good at it. So I think that's where I get it from the confidence flag.

29:39
So do you feel like your Nan is sort of like your number one was the number one in your life was she sort of why were you so devastated when she I mean, obviously everyone's

29:49
just because Well, last time I went to the UK and I went and saw her I was lying again. I was like in a party mode and this and that and I was like seeing all my And then I went and saw my nun and spent a little bit of time with her. But because that is my nan, and she's always been there. And I thought I don't need to put that much time and effort into Siena. Sure. I mean, so I went back to the UK saw her and as if it's been anti, it's always there. And she was just normal. Exactly the same lady from when I left when I was

30:20
12 really dedicate a whole

30:22
day I didn't dedicate loads of time. And then when I found out when I was in that situation that gives me instantly just an aside, I was literally just there. I've spent I spent hardly any time I just went and saw her a couple times and this and I was just like I should I just really put more effort into, you know, being that do not phenomenon.

30:40
You're not alone in thinking that way. Yeah, like I think even with me, you know, when my mom passed away, even though she wasn't able to know if I was with her, just the fact that I'd live down. You know, I live down here in Melbourne for the last six years that I wasn't living in Sydney, even though I could have been with her every single day. She would have no idea. You instantly just feel that guilt. You just think I wasn't there enough. I should have said this. I should have said that. I didn't tell her I loved her enough. And it's a really common feeling when anyone loses anyone close to them.

31:07
Yeah, that's another thing as ocean. I've not had any tattoos. What? Yeah so when I when she signed when you went to see her or turtleneck, I didn't have my hands on my neck properly done on the back follow water or neck indentation Oh your heart Take it off and I was like not I'm alright. And everyone was like, take it off your head little angel. But she thought I was going to be a priest. Yeah. used to go to the church like every weekend. I'll do the altar boy stuffing going up doing all that you

31:35
know, ultimate body of crying and

31:36
all that. When the first time I was carrying like the body of Christ, like the little piece of bread, I'm walking around pay more attention because I'd like nice little suit on from a young age. So girls, so I was like just bopping along like looking at my dad was walking through a drop the bloody bread. It's Oh no, you bloody Huawei. So we opened this thing and I was like, Can I put it on iPhone? I can get it to run back and get it a little muddy suit, pick it up, put the bread on pull it back up and then like shake it and put your thumb on it. I didn't know cuz I'm walking and just you're typing it in.

32:13
sums you up in like a really I was speaking of that we have to I'm gonna get that photo of you showed me on the day of you in that suit. photobombing that photo of your dad at the wedding? Yeah, you've always been a little shoot. Haven't you always love that photo? On the too much Telly and

32:29
I'll give you that one.

32:30
Bachelor in paradise obviously is airing. we've only seen three episodes but Gosh, they've been a big ones.

32:36
It's been a bit of a roller coaster, isn't it?

32:38
Yeah, I shoulda so from carrying the entire show.

32:41
But my hair man and Tim that's what we were saying. But yeah,

32:43
packhorses I don't feel like a bit of a camel. I mean,

32:47
what's it like cuz obviously I was big brother's bad. Go. Okay, what's it like to go from being Australia's sweetheart which you definitely were post The Bachelorette and to suddenly be bachelor paradises bad boy because I know for like, I mean, it doesn't take a scientist to say that the narrative around you and the press and the tweets and the Instagram comments have changed dramatically since we last we went out to these grains. What's that been like fear?

33:15
And it's not really bothered me as such because even though I was on the bachelorette, and I was doing that, you know, with everybody else, I was still myself. But it's obviously not shown in such a

33:30
Why would you say this? There's a lot more of you,

33:33
I think on the bachelorette. And she's the main character right today single Angie. So all they focused on with you was your relationship with Angie. Yeah, I feel like if they'd had some behind the scenes or some like extra content of the bachelor mansion, we would have seen this version of you. And you tend to be like me, we're both unapologetically ourselves. We don't try to be anybody else. We just, you know, we are who we offer rightly or wrongly, and it gets us in trouble sometimes, but at least for

33:59
ourselves. gets us in trouble. It does get us in trouble.

34:03
But I feel like you know with the bachelorette, we just saw Andrew story. And you were just a part of Angie's story. Yeah. And you left quite early, you know, you left early into the pace. So we saw we, we kind of saw you through Andy's eyes. I think that's how I feel anyway. And now at that time paradise was seeing you for you. And you're not and you're not always you know, I'm not innocent.

34:25
I'm not innocent. I'm not the I don't think I'm the favourite as such. I

34:30
do think it was pretty harsh. You know, I saw you posted on Instagram a couple of days ago. I assume you had people questioning the fact that your grandma even passed away?

34:38
Yes, it was.

34:41
Got me riled up. And I actually did like a video but I don't usually like call people out. And I was getting loads of messages going Oh, you're you mess up in the head line about you know, the way

34:54
in which episode people thought that you had so you left bachelor Bachelorette because your Nana died. You wanted to go back to see her I'll be there funeral.

35:02
No funeral already been.

35:04
You just want to go back home. I was wanting to leave families. Yeah, who dealt with it. And then your ex girlfriend Renee comes on to bachelor paradise and out the fact that not only were you calling her during the show, but she picked up from the airport and it kind of it kind of seemed as if you hadn't actually laughed because you've enad you'd love to get back with her. Yeah, well, that's it is that what happened? Was that the Edit?

35:24
No, so we were like, still sort of like no, before the show, like just catching up doing you do yeah.

35:33
Kind of on and off here

35:34
is I am on hot and cold. So all of it and then bomb turns off often it's just

35:40
get a bit scared of

35:43
not commitment. It's just a bit scared of like, you know, if we go into this property in three months, I'm gonna be like, you know, bored. And it's

35:51
interesting though, because we're there now. You know, you guys live together. You bought her dogs. You had dogs together.

35:55
Yeah, I did. That was the first time we dated. So it was before any of the show. And that sort of sort of going back to Darwin after being at the Bachelor. And as you know, you just want to be of any family. I want to be someone who, you know, you close with, who knows you knows how upset I was. And it was just easy for me to fall straight back into that and then from there, or went to go to the UK. And then I was on staff travels, I was getting hit bumps on the flights. And I was like, well, I've got no money broke or stuck in Singapore for like three days and I was like, This is terrible.

36:28
He did try and go back. Yeah, try to go back and I think that wasn't on the show the other day, it just seemed as if he kind of if for some of watching felt as if you'd said that to Angie, you left in tears. We all thought you'd we all she'd gone back to see your Nan and see your family. And then it kind of the other night in bachelor in paradise. It seemed as if you kind of just left and then just gone straight with her night and then gone straight to Bali. That's how it appears to everybody.

36:52
So I didn't I didn't leave a day. We did go to Bali. And then from there, I was like, Oh, I'm just gonna fly home anyway. So it was like Was my flight was booked so I was like I'll just go to Bali for a few days and fly from on Cz

37:05
and we just for a second I'm not sure if you've seen this Karen I'm gonna put up on the too much Telly Instagram at too much Tali. Yeah

37:11
Have you seen this?

37:14
Victoria is COVID-19 outbreak trace back secure fashion paradise. Kissin 123

37:23
dan Anders. He's a super spreader.

37:27
You

37:29
know, I thought it was quite

37:31
interesting. You're not offended by that.

37:35
to offend me than that.

37:37
I think it's amazing. I don't want I had a I've had a thought.

37:39
Can I just say I've had at least 15 people send this to me. Yeah,

37:43
yeah. And suggesting I get tested.

37:47
I should be getting tested off you.

37:48
Oh, that's interesting. Why Jess, because I was doing some research on you, Karen. Yeah, this show. And as you know, Telly released a first episode last Wait. Yep,

38:00
you've just listened to it. Haven't you care?

38:02
nobody listened to it. But Tim,

38:04
so you haven't listened to my first episode? No. So,

38:08
I mean, it would have set you up for this what I'm about to show you, because obviously, you did an episode with Tim. Yeah. And you both had a similar question. Well, I'm so confused that was talking about how about I show you Oh, man. Here we go.

38:24
Oh, no, this is about okay. So what Jess is this this did chop this was like a stitch up. It's a little bit of a stitch up for me. Who saw you on here who STITCHED YOU NOT me or me or him? Oh, both sides. I'm Switzerland here. Okay. I have for both of you. Are you ready to watch your likes? I'm sorry. My palms are sweaty knees weak arms

38:43
are heavy. Oh mn

38:45
remiel has it? You've been spotted around South Yarra we've Karen have I yeah, that's Hartley

38:51
Who said that? Where's that come? come from a couple of papers source close to

38:56
someone it was on your in your DMS

38:58
care is a good guy cares A friend of mine. Anything else?

39:03
Karen, Karen's a sweetheart,

39:05
him and Talia thing will not

39:08
be until he makes Yeah, it makes de that's enough about that.

39:15
And let's put a full stop on the end of that.

39:20
I would describe dating as like someone that I'm seeing pretty regularly but it doesn't go anywhere super serious.

39:25
Like Karen and I were dating really

39:30
got the exclusive Yeah. Karen I yeah. I don't know if he'll say that. But he also was a commitment phobe so when you're hanging out for like months at a time and this ain't your house you go away, you know to live for the weekend. You meet their friends, they meet your friends. I mean, in my head that's dating.

39:50
You look nervous.

39:51
How are we feeling guys?

39:53
I feel fine. How do you feel? You know, are you lost for words once? I just

39:58
think it's interesting that did two different And

40:01
versions of events here and how would you define dating?

40:05
I don't know probably worst person to ask to define dating. If I'm dating someone and I've sort of made it official Charmaine, that's more my girlfriend. Yeah, for me that I don't

40:17
because if it was the other way, then you would be dating a lot of people

40:21
during if you just like, hanging out with someone sleeping time

40:26
going to dinner. Can I ask a question? Yeah, go on. Please do just because I'm I'm I'm a bit confused. yoky I'm confused. confused. What are you guys dating? Well, I'm probably Oh, now I got a probably. Well, I don't know. We obviously have different. I mean,

40:45
to be fair, huh?

40:47
So we met

40:52
I've never seen you either.

40:57
I thought that Karen was hot. On the bachelorette, and I send something to his DMS It was like really like he uploaded a story and I replied the story

41:06
that was actually when I was dressing the Drag Queens Park it was wasn't

41:09
it? It was a human team having a YouTube channel

41:12
usually for yo yo not anymore you support on like good little selfish no and I was a bit better condition and nothing but then soon as I dress up in drag

41:23
I think okay she's really as as a shirt here too much Tali. We know my two monitors in life. Jess, you're across them by a real men wear pink.

41:33
And real men eight us, huh? Karen does by

41:37
our tick both those boxes here and

41:40
something about seeing Karen in drag fights a drag makeup, a bright pink wig and a glittery demonte bodysuit. I was like

41:50
I can we can pull that off.

41:51
And yeah, I slipped into these dams and I was ignored.

41:55
Well, yeah, yes. Yep. For a while. A long time for too long. So I just I still just want to clarify from Kieran for me. Yes. Were you or were you not dating Telly again by ah so dancing around the

42:13
other No, I would not fuck it. Yeah, I'll say yeah

42:19
I think that as I said the other day in episode one I think that people everybody describes dating as different things I've always used dating as someone I'm seeing quite regularly. They come into my house I'm going to their house we're having dinner going to the movies, you know, going away for the weekend. Obviously sleeping together to me that's dating. Karen obviously has different parameters and Karen is you know, if he's someone's boyfriend then that's him dating someone

42:44
committed there you go to different description See, which is not me, which is

42:51
you know, I would describe and also like, you know, it was for a couple it wasn't like it was just it was a couple of months. Yeah,

42:56
it was why wouldn't go months. We'll see that one. Yeah, man. You know, you don't want to keep in subsidy, you

43:02
know, he sent my house and using my car and you know you were going away for the weekend.

43:09
And I'm apparently wearing pink and he you know spoke Korean.

43:12
That's why she remembers it cannot

43:13
confirm nor deny either of those two facts. Um, but I get that and that's why I said that in Episode One. Like I said that I would consider a styling also because it's just so much nicer when someone's like, oh, what's happening with so and so I will like to be like, Oh, you know if Okay, so if I saw Karen out in the Strait, or if I had to talk about Karen to a friend, I'd be like all we used today. It's much nicer than saying oh, we were fucking for a while.

43:40
Yeah, all right now you put it like live sounds a lot. And also,

43:43
we weren't just like you weren't coming over late at night and having sleepovers like we were hanging out in the day or getting lunches when we got

43:49
you know what, just That's true. All right, stitch up. You still floss the surface in red.

43:58
It is winter.

44:00
Can you see what's in taking the pace now? I am sweating. It's nerve racking. You need a breather. But like, I wasn't gonna pretend like I did say, Tim and your podcast. And it happened to come out the day before mine. And I was like, great. So I've caught him said that we're dating and he said, we're mates.

44:20
stitch up.

44:21
And also, we're both getting asked about the two of us in all of our DMS and I answered them in like, Oh, I don't know he's a good guy though. Like loving him and you're

44:29
not so totally again, stitch me up with this. She was I know, people send you DMS or whatever, when it's nice to take time out your day. So let's say timeout your message and I'm like, you know what? Great example is people and I was like, talking legend. You're right. Yeah. But I started doing it and started right you know, thanks for that. I'm replying. Yeah, then that person thinks that Meryl. were better and then I'm getting random photos. I'm getting random and I was like, This is too much.

45:00
To be fair minded usually females who are like hey like listen to your podcast love it love how honest and authentic you are like thank you so much talking about mental health and you know freezing your eggs. His

45:12
yeah mine do I do get some questions ask you so threesomes

45:18
please brace the back of my throat

45:20
yeah that was a good one. I was a personal favourite that one but in mind

45:24
Do you have any good ones now I

45:26
don't know. I don't go through the

45:28
first episode about paradise tech secure and I said you'll find my sea blowing up and he's like it's been on his

45:34
flight and even from the first episode all about the second one where argument started and that goes a mess off Can you please come and ruin my life? I was like what?

45:45
Yes. No joking.

45:47
That's how I you know I'm we will touch on this. I think we have touched on this while you go through your dams and find out some g saucy all my DMS now on this one which is been crazy. I even put like a little message on my story of the day.

46:01
To share the stuff proving to everyone that my nan did pass away, and all the messages I've been getting from that word, ombre like unbelievable. You can go on the insights and look how many people have direct messaged you and this and that. I'd have a four and a half thousand people here that messaged me saying you shouldn't have to.

46:19
And that was really two people. It was pretty fun. Yeah, to get

46:22
off your Nan's funeral like pamphlet Yeah, to prove that she actually passed away that's

46:30
a bit much.

46:31
So no honey damn

46:33
not well, it's just honestly it's full of all them. If I could go for this one there. Marry me.

46:39
Sorry. No, thanks. I'm sorry.

46:47
One thing I have to think we have to address I think it is interesting how like, you know, people like Abbie Chatfield who we love and adore. Karen, you. We love her as well. She literally went in there with one guy in her mind. Karen, Karen Karen. You know that could We've had taken Karen's eye off the text, the chequebooks, she had no one else in her sights. And yet she still gets this weird villain evil sex pest is can I have a hand? God bless your cotton socks to abs in and he's in with or gone after three different women. And Karen is a rock star and Abby is like a sloty you know villain it's a bit that

47:24
plays it off like that. Like she and people you know, saying about all she's been a slot and this and that for being in a bikini thing. You people stupid virgin Island, Verona. Trump's

47:38
a bikini on my

47:41
male co bikini speedos. Yeah, they show everything the bright yellow. Yeah, I mean, it's there's not much left to the imagination.

47:49
We just get a confirmation or the abbeys confirm this on different podcasts. But now we get to hear from your mouth. Do you and Abby have sex?

47:55
No, we didn't have sex.

47:56
What were you and Abby doing under the comment messing about one of the coolest things

48:00
boots down the door lights SWAT and they come in consent consent and

48:03
also talk us through that. Sorry. What's going on a

48:08
festival pull Brit is trying to sleep because Britt had to share a beer with Abby so Brits trying to have a little like snooze and you and Abby are on the other single bed fooling around. Yeah, it's paradise

48:18
sort of good time.

48:21
I'm just gonna just to make it clear if everybody else because the editing was quite you know, as it is quite misleading. Someone's hands were down someone's pants.

48:29
Yeah, I think both hands are down both pants to be fair,

48:32
interesting. So are they watching you on another tape? So they're watching you somewhere else. And then once they see get to a point, they bust in the door and say,

48:40
Yeah, when you are on paradise, you got to give consent if you're gonna stay in the same bed or someone asleep with that. I think this

48:47
is because the US version of the show. There was a night where two contestants slept together. Yeah. The next morning, the girl woke up and said that she hadn't consented to it and that she really drunk and that she wanted to like press check got really really messy yeah and so I think the Australian version made sure from that moment onwards that

49:07
but they weren't they were fair with what they did because there was some times where I was like smash the like he can't even say the sentence yeah into the camera the light goatee Bray

49:17
so so you're fooling around with Abby in the era and they they're obviously watching you on a monitor somewhere and they see get to a point and they just barge on you

49:26
know there was nothing I've been knocking paints engines I was knocking and then they come in and cameras are up and I was

49:33
like, Can we take the sexiness out of it doesn't it

49:36
just jumps up but

49:38
it's one thing putting a condom on but having someone barge in and make you face Cameron's gonna do this

49:42
but it's like the weight as well as height you get about getting to the moment and then by the

49:49
flashy face.

49:53
right you got to do it in the film you

49:55
respect that because if it made them do it separately, it means that neither party feels pressured it means that if my man or cameras caught in the moment, they could have a breather in the outside air with camera crew and go, hang on wait. And that's what Abby said. I mean, I don't know if you've you probably haven't because you don't listen to anyone's podcast. But Abby said on a podcast recently that she probably would have slept with you

50:16
100% if consent would have happened?

50:20
Well, what are you switching for?

50:22
Um, Abby said that if she hadn't had to leave the PRA and you know and be pulled by producers and kind of sit and think and go, Okay, wait, what am I doing? I would have slept with you. And so she says that they're raising you have to give consent is why you guys didn't sleep together.

50:37
Yeah. thoughts on that?

50:39
Dad knows exactly what it is. If you don't have to give consent and you're now in bed with someone and you're drunk and having a good time, then obviously, it's gonna happen.

50:48
Yeah. Now, obviously, I mean, she's on human soil. I

50:54
feel like this is a good opportunity to start playing some games. I'm

50:59
gonna start with never Have I ever because I feel I

51:02
know the pen. These pens is so distracting or these pens get me every time.

51:09
I move a blunder.

51:14
Okay, so we don't have pedals that let's say never on camera. Okay, about whatever, brother. I don't know what sort of pedals you meant. Okay? Never. You pop it

51:24
out and then if you haven't already have you drink Never have I ever endorsed a product I don't actually use. I don't think I have. I'm calm.

51:32
Have you made a product on Instagram? That you don't actually use on demand? Okay, yes. authentic. That's cute.

51:43
Never have I ever faked an orgasm was bit odd for a guy in it. Tell you just had a drink. I did. A very big golb

51:51
I did was looking at.

51:53
Yeah, look, it's Yeah, I'm like a Rubik's Cube. It takes a special someone to figure me out.

52:00
Never have I ever given or received a lap dance.

52:04
Karen was a mouse trip. Ah, you drink man. Does

52:07
that mean I'm confused? Yeah, I've definitely

52:09
Karen was a stripper at a gay club in Darwin. Yeah. Cold. What was it moist? Rob?

52:14
He's a danza de bahco throat. Oh, wow.

52:16
There. There is. queens. I'm gonna ask Karen I've seen footage he's posted on his Instagram before. I'm gonna ask that footage. I'm gonna post too much Telly and

52:25
I've got loads more footage than pictures in my outfits.

52:30
Oh, putting What?

52:33
I think you've got better ones than that.

52:35
This is filthy. Please hasn't paid. We haven't. Never have I ever left with a contestant on a reality TV show. Oh, cool. On the shark. On the shark. Everyone's drinking.

52:50
I'm not drinking, man. I didn't drink Karen Do you drink this to clarify?

52:54
Okay, Never have I ever use the line. Do you know who I am?

53:00
You

53:01
said that, well, if I'm taking the piss in my mates Well, yeah.

53:04
So then how can we

53:06
give? I've never gone up someone do you know i but I've been like with my mate. It's like a joke.

53:17
That's embarrassing.

53:18
No, it's just people that we know. Yeah, but still, it's like, Don't these guys know who I am? But it's always like just

53:25
my friends saying it to me taking the piss out of me. Like, we got to go eat somewhere. I went to a Hawker Hall and they didn't have anywhere, any seats available and they don't know who you are, you know, that's always been played, you

53:40
know, it's been interesting for me hanging out with Karen is to suddenly not be the famous one. Like, it's been really hard for me to be with him and then people out to him, like come towards us. And I'm like, Oh, here we go. They're recognised but, like even a photo with me and they were like, hey, Carrie, we had a photo and they shove their photo in my hands like can you take it? I'm like, So

54:02
I lost me, Matt.

54:05
Don't watch TV. So come on. I am definitely not gonna watch a brother from 10 years ago.

54:11
Seven, seven years ago.

54:14
I was probably still in school. Okie dokie

54:17
Okay, final one. Never have I ever sued someone up on a date. I haven't.

54:22
But does that mean you not turned up? Yes. Oh no, not always turn up. I've been catfished before Oh, that was terrible.

54:28
Oh, what do you mean?

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Oh, when I had Tinder when I was younger, and then I was chatting to this go on for for She's out of my league as well go me over anyway. definitely wasn't a completely different person.

54:39
Really?

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What did you say?

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What are you doing? Why do you know I've been using this because you know that you can't do that. You just

54:48
don't have a drink with her.

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Nah, I'll just told her you can't do it and then got back on

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the trampoline. She rocked up.

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Yeah, I was looking around a lot at this shopping centre. Look around. So we're

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gonna go hot day shopping centre. I

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have somewhere to eat or in some meat there. And I was like, okay, it was like a nice place to me. And I was not sorry I was looking around for this person might last shot there so I can't see anyone. I kept seeing this person just look at me and I was like catfishing was by then I was like 18 nauseous.

55:20
Have a new nurse or the old nose. I'ma hold on

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to the same to you and be like, No thanks.

55:25
Oh, wasn't that bad? come off.

55:29
I think it was pretty bad shit.

55:30
Jess. What else? Yeah, for us. Okay. Chad Mary, huh? No, this teacher Karen Yep. She shag Mary. Happy Jess. Angie.

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Jess, Angie. Shoot shag. Marie. That's a good one.

55:46
That is a good one. Think about that real hard. Very

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difficult. Sure. Chaga. Mary. Ah,

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marry me, Jess. Me Jess. You're in trouble. I'm in

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trouble. It's a game don't mean not a game. I haven't slept without you.

56:05
Yes, yes. So you have to shoot

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so this is difficult. We would have to marry any of them.

56:13
Can I guess what you're gonna say? Yeah, go on. I can you gonna marry Angie shag gesture? Avi? Alright 321 Yes. Don't be disappointed about it because you want to be able to bang Abbey at some point in your life.

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Well, so I mean, we've never got to do it. Okay, next one. Renee. Kiki, Telly.

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Oh, Mary Sally. Oh, yes, I only get stuck with that pen. jokin

56:37
smiled friend.

56:38
And then shark Renee. And sorry Kiki on the bullet

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at Toyota. Yes, that was really

56:49
funny because I don't necessarily watch bachelor.

56:54
She's just like a random guess. I've been doing so much research,

56:57
and I've watched Yeah, I've been watching the last couple But

57:00
how do you feel about Karen's glasses? I mean to them, say three ones. He was around when he was crying for 10 hours. Yeah.

57:06
Great. I love the glasses. A man

57:08
doesn't need them. Just FYI. They clear.

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No, no, I went got them for the lion.

57:13
No, no,

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no, no for them not Oscar Wilde. He was he was the one night Bailey Nelson. From Bailey Nelson. Actually, they get my eyes tested. Thank you. They're a little bit you don't need them. But my eyes. I might have lied when it was like, Oh, is that DRC? Or no, I was.

57:32
I did that in primary school. And that's why I had glasses and that is now why I had to have laser eye surgery because I will glasses that I didn't need thus making my eyes wake

57:41
up and if I'm playing Xbox, or reading a book.

57:46
How often do you do that? He

57:47
has never Okay, so when Kieran moved into his house, I've been the bookworm that I am also being a lovely friend that I am I bought him a plant because if you love a planet, right and I also bought him a book

57:59
here and reading that book read the front cover.

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What was it?

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Basically and you hit one on what like raid

58:05
soul out of not giving a fuck

58:07
sorry Jess that's a grass back to the game. Okay Telly

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Yes, you have got the choice between Big Brother Katie Simpson and jury

58:17
I'm gonna fuck marry kill Big Brother the extra big brother yeah cuz I read that you have a crush on him Oh had to be at this so there was a yeah there was a younger version of Big Brother that I had a crush on he end up being gay though okay so oh man I'm gonna marry drew but Cody Simpson probably I'm so sorry pate. That's awful of me to say that but all right,

58:36
and you'll find one okay drew Richie and Kiran.

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If you shoot me

58:45
he can be bro.

58:46
I'm gonna cut you in. Okay, so I'm going to I'm going to shoot Richie bless his cotton socks. I'm going to shag here and I'm going to marriage very nice.

58:56
Otherwise Shaggy, the merrier. Scared of marriage Yeah, exactly. He doesn't want to get married or have kids. So

59:03
fair enough for that. final game for you guys. Okay, I need you to finish these sentences. Mm hmm. Karen, I'm gonna start with you. Yeah. Growing up, my favourite memory was

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growing up my favourite memory was probably play me my action men, man hands off.

59:21
That's cute. Is that why you got into the army? You reckon?

59:24
No. I went into the army because my granddad, who was my Nan's partner, he was in the army and remember, this picture of him is on the back of like a mug and had like the wrench or Swiss Alps or something in the background, and he's just sat there looking like a baller. I know sure on the army just do nice thing. And I was like, that's cool. I want to do that.

59:45
That's a bit of me. So that's what I thought I wanted to do that, Telly, if I could redo something in my life, it would be I mean, I think you want me to say a big brother, but that's not what I want to say. Um, I think you know what, I've mentioned mistakes. I've made plenty of mistakes, but I have No regrets. I think that life is too short to have regrets. Everything that I did at the time was what I wanted at the time. And yeah, hindsight is 2020 and I can look back and be like, You're an idiot. Why did you do that? But I don't think I would redo anything in my life. I think that everything I did at the time was what I wanted and whether that was right or wrong. It resulted in a lesson and and learning and and I've only grown and matured from that everything's made me a stronger person today, so I wouldn't redo anything.

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Bonanza Kiran Yep. I shouldn't have made out with

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how long do we have

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exist list I shouldn't have made out with

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I feel like Karen I saw an article this morning on a music calm that I you. Yeah. about why women are in love with you can just read you a few bits from it because I find this to be. So I've always felt about you. And I feel like at the moment you're copying a lot of flack in the media, in social media, from women in general. And I'm not saying I don't agree with them. And I think we've said Before like, you know, you know that you're not the best behaved at times. Definitely not. Yeah. And you know that you could do better in some, and when you make mistakes, you know, you know, you you apologise and you say I'm sorry. So I wasn't really fit to this article. There are plenty of reasons to fall Madly Deeply in love with the Platinum head Tarzan but tread with caution, because Karen start is bloody gorgeous. whether or not he does it for you and gorgeous men simply do stupid things correct

1:01:27
me nuts. In Alan's head. She then

1:01:29
says Surprise, surprise, the good boy slash bad boy turned out to be a whole other kind of boy. A fuck boy. Perhaps Karen should have quit while he was ahead. Or perhaps we as viewers need to stop expecting these half naked holidays to either be all good or bad. is Karen the perfect gentleman he was painted to be? No. Does that make his neck tattoo any less sexy? Also? No. I think that's really interesting because no, like, no one's perfect.

1:01:54
I'm far from perfect. No,

1:01:55
but you do have a good heart. You really do. And I can say that for someone that knows you personally. I Outside of any of these shows or any of the editing, you do have a good heart. Thank you.

1:02:07
What

1:02:09
do you think? I have to say? We've certainly seen a disappointing and different side to the Giza. One that's less to do with unravelling toxic masculinity and mostly with jumping into bed with multiple women because you do both those things you do do a lot for unravelling toxic masculinity. We talk about your nose job, your veneers, your fashion sense. You know, you don't shy away from your feminine side. Yeah.

1:02:33
People who do that are just, you know, I feel I think they're like the soft ones or the insecure ones, like many of you can't go in wherever they want or dress or the one you don't mean or go get a facial.

1:02:44
You get facials you get your nails done sometimes. She then says you probably wouldn't want to date the black anymore, but it doesn't mean that you caught it by that godlike physique by watching you on TV, even if it means you have to turn the volume down every time you start spreading out lies. So given to guilty pleasure Ladies and except the lads who want to use

1:03:01
an old painting with an accent

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so you have a roll up thank you very much and

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I thought that that's a fair summary of us pretty good call you and your bullshit she's saying that you're not perfect You are a bit of a fuckwit sometimes you do hurt people but who what what human doesn't hurt people

1:03:17
never once said I was perfect and then just because you're good at it on one show and then they'll edit you in a different light on the other, doesn't

1:03:23
it? The same person both

1:03:24
shows that I'm not changed. It's not like

1:03:26
Oh, so this back to who you regret kissing.

1:03:30
I say I don't really regret kissing anyone

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now. Okay, moving on.

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I left off here a little bit about time. One day, I'd like to wake up next to ah, cheese the ways

1:03:43
do you like now I'm gonna answer this. Okay, so I have a massive crush. Do you guys follow the inspired unemployed on Instagram? I do. They're amazing. They're two guys. That comedic jewellery from Sydney, and they make really, really fucking hilarious content. It's so relatable. I have a massive crush on jack Yeah, he's part of the the show the total one obviously. Anyone so he's too young for me but I think he's just old is he 21 You see? They're funny boys. I love a funny boy if you can make me laugh if you can make me smile and if I have fun with you then you're you're a shoo in but

1:04:15
they are quality. Like right right

1:04:17
good because I feel like we could maybe make that one happen. Oh, no, wait like Instagram buddies. Oh, really? Yeah. So I The other day I saw he put up a photo of him I think because I've done some stuff with like Vogue or GQ, like actual fashion stuff as

1:04:29
well. All of them on it. Yeah.

1:04:32
And he put up a they put up a photo of them dressed up in something sexy which photo was it? And I responded saying daddy. And someone said which one though? Because it's both demeanour and I replied, full like avidly being like jack this one and then jack slid into my DMS and said he said how's your form? Haha, I like it. And I replied, saying girls got an A. This is hilarious because if I ever tried that, it just would never work for me. I needed to Gotta be in it to win it. Bam,

1:05:01
go get the tick.

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All right, Kiran, if I could offer caught someone, it would be. Oh,

1:05:10
and I want to say temper Jesus. No, I mean, yeah, few of them. I'd like to say a name, but it will ruin the show. I can't say that

1:05:18
one. All right, what happens later on in bachelor in paradise? Yeah.

1:05:21
Well, I mean, obviously, he's gonna be fun.

1:05:25
Addy, from love island to celebrity max. Yeah, that's a good answer. Okay. And finally, the most famous person I've hooked up with is the both of you. My name is Scott Eastwood. Any thoughts on? How cool is it?

1:05:41
Clint Eastwood,

1:05:42
as you may notice is the one and so I didn't have to elaborate on that. Did I? Just the one answer

1:05:47
What's yours?

1:05:48
I don't know. If it's on the following game. Maybe you're just rockin.

1:05:52
Let's just say me makes for a better a better ending. Alright,

1:05:55
you Yeah.

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What a great wrap up that was I

1:05:58
mean, I feel good about that. ending. Got you guys.

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Um, is that older

1:06:02
so we have to cover that's all I have for you. Is there anything else you'd like to know? I think we got here got everything in mole really got so much. Yeah, I can't imagine I'm Karen starch. You're wonderful. Oh, thank you I think thanks for having me it was awesome. I think that Yeah, you do have a heart of God and people that know you in your life know that and I think that yeah you're not the best behaviour at times, but you are who you are. And that's all we can ask it be nice to be yourself.

1:06:29
Well yeah, I'm not I'm never gonna be someone I'm not I don't do that in any situation. I just don't see the point in it.

1:06:35
Will you do reality TV again?

1:06:37
Depends on it was I'd love to do like one of the dancing moms

1:06:40
shut up Dancing with the Stars. Yeah, that would be actually very good dance. I he

1:06:44
can move. He can move. Oh,

1:06:50
he was a stripper.

1:06:52
But I'd reckon I'd be terrible life. It was like jungle stuff. I hate bugs. Yeah, creepy crawly.

1:07:00
Had to save him from a spider. No.

1:07:03
Did you it was a spider and you won't get rid of it get rid of it and I was like everyone get rid of it.

1:07:09
Don't remember that.

1:07:10
As as he said bad memory because he got knocked out. Sorry I couldn't really tell you anything and he goes okay. Kiss

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yes Kiran, not kiss kisah I don't like that she's

1:07:20
kiss dog. Karen thank you so much for being on too much Telly. I know it was controversial. We have probably answered a lot of your questions. You are so welcome. Where can we follow you on Instagram?

1:07:31
I'm just for my name. Kiran stop

1:07:34
hearing because it's got a bit ugly see

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i a de blah and

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and you can follow us at t o meu. Ch tele too much Telly on Instagram and I will see you next Tuesday. Love ya.

1:07:47
Love you too.